David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
CBC blocked the link to this file for the benefit of the Crown, KPMG, IRS, CRA, FBI,, RCMP and the Irving Clan Of that I have no doubt but I wonder will Trump's minions check out Page 2?
https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2018/10/the-crown-and-irving-clan-have-shown.html
https://www.scribd.com/document/2619437/CROSS-BORDER
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David Amos
Methinks the Irving Clan
proved to us once again not only just how powerful they are but just how
dumb and or corrupt the Crown truly is N'esy Pas?
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David Amos
David Amos
@Norman Albert Snr "Irving is going no where even with higher taxes imposed. They no a good thing when they see it"
FYI The battles between the Irving Clan and mine began back in the sixties when my Father Max Amos was the supervisor of taxation for New Brunswick until he died in the early eighties. I recall him sending the Sheriff to put the a chain on the gates of the Irving Refinery in order to make old KC pay his property taxes. Clearly one of my Father's sons is still battling the Irving Clan and their many cohorts to this very day N'esy Pas?
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David Amos
@Colin Seeley First you reply
to me with a simple KMA insult which i found rather comical from a
person who does not know how to argue. However now you imply that I am
troll who knows nothing of corporate taxation. If that were even
remotely true how do you explain my suing 3 US Treasury Agents about
covering up the fact that money was stolen from my family's trust and
given to a charitable organization?
Methinks you should study the file then look at Page 134 very closely and then Google Cardinal Bernard Law N'esy Pas?
https://www.scribd.com/document/2619437/CROSS-BORDER
David Amos
@Rene Cusson Methinks the
Irving Clan knows as well as I that everything is political and its
always about the money. Obviously they abide in the Golden Rule of all
corporations and governments. Everybody knows it is "He with the Gold
Makes the Rules" N'esy Pas?
Roy Kirk
@David Amos I thought fines
were not tax deductible, and so a contribution to a charity in lieu of a
fine would not be deductible either. But I'm no tax accountant/lawyer.
David Amos
@Roy Kirk "I'm no tax accountant/lawyer."
Nor I but methinks everybody knows I am whistleblower about financial crimes who sued many Yankee accountant/lawyers, judges and tax men in 2002 long before I ran for a seat in the 38h Parliament. N'esy Pas?
Nor I but methinks everybody knows I am whistleblower about financial crimes who sued many Yankee accountant/lawyers, judges and tax men in 2002 long before I ran for a seat in the 38h Parliament. N'esy Pas?
https://twitter.com/DavidRayAmos/with_replies
David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
Methinks as the Crown and the Irving Clan are showing their nasty arses again CBC is covering things up as usual N'esy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2018/10/the-crown-and-irving-clan-have-shown.html
https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2018/10/the-crown-and-irving-clan-have-shown.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/wild-atlantic-salmon-cooke-aquaculture-jd-irving-ltd-conservation-stocking-1.4865176
Proposed Irving plea deal would put money into Irving-controlled salmon group
James Irving of JDI is chair of CAST, a non-profit trying to bring back wild salmon
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David Amos
Methinks the Irving Clan
proved to us once again not only just how powerful they are but just how
dumb and or corrupt the Crown truly is N'esy Pas?
Rick Given
Why are we so worried about the lack of a functioning government in Freddy...we know who actually runs this province.
David Amos
@Rick Given YUP
Norman Albert Snr
@Rick Given I almost bought property here. Who in their right mind would do that?
Two sets of rules and two levels of taxation. One for the have nots and never will have and those who dictate policy.
Two sets of rules and two levels of taxation. One for the have nots and never will have and those who dictate policy.
David Amos
@Norman Albert Snr "I almost bought property here. Who in their right mind would do that?"
I just did again after 30 years of being gone.
I just did again after 30 years of being gone.
Edwin Kelley
Looks like the Empire
controls both provincial and federal governments. This whole process
stinks, pay a fine to yourself for an area that wasn't even involved in
the incident????
David Amos
@Edwin Kelley "Looks like the Empire controls both provincial and federal governments."
Methinks everybody has known that for years. E ven Mr Trump and his minions south of the 49th like the Irving Clan N'esy Pas?
Methinks everybody has known that for years. E ven Mr Trump and his minions south of the 49th like the Irving Clan N'esy Pas?
Shawn McShane
The crown is recommending this deal? There was a song about this stuff...
Money and Corruption Are ruining the land
Crooked politicians Betray the working man,
Pocketing the profits And treating us like sheep,
And we’re tired of hearing promises
That we know they’ll never keep.
Money and Corruption Are ruining the land
Crooked politicians Betray the working man,
Pocketing the profits And treating us like sheep,
And we’re tired of hearing promises
That we know they’ll never keep.
David Amos
@Shawn McShane The Kinks were pretty decent band
Murray Brown
I should be able to pay my fines to my favourite charity... Me!
David Amos
@Murray Brown Me Too
kelly sherrard
The money from the fine
should be used to clean up the waters where the incident occurred NOT to
an Irving interest. It doesn't make sense. They pollute the waters
in one area and then walk away from it and look to pour the money from
their fine into one of their special projects..... NO IT DOESN'T PASS
THE SNIFF TEST.
David Amos
@kelly sherrard I wholeheartedly agree
Stanley Beemish
The Atlantic Salmon
Federation has been around for decades, perhaps they could use the
funds? Or the Huntsman Centre in St. Andrews?
David Amos
@Stanley Beemish Methinks they don't need money either their sponsors make sure of that N'esy Pas?
David Stairs
this is Irving simply trying
to divert money for a tax right off..what a wonderful system...Irving
gets to claim the money paid, for the fines, as tax right offs, and then
gets to divert the same money into a program in which he is CEO ..and
the next thing you know he will be going to Gallant for a non refundable
loan...
Roy Kirk
@David Stairs I thought fines were not tax deductible no matter to whom they are paid. Is this wrong?
David Amos
@Roy Kirk Methinks fines are tax deductible but the CRA won't argue with the Irving Clan anyway N'esy Pas?
Bernard McIntyre
@Roy Kirk. This is N.B. and the Irving's so what do you think.
Fred Brewer
@David Stairs
You are 100% right. Irving will pay the "fine" to himself and then claim it as charitable donation for a tax write-off. No wonder a judge wants to review this settlement before approving it.
You are 100% right. Irving will pay the "fine" to himself and then claim it as charitable donation for a tax write-off. No wonder a judge wants to review this settlement before approving it.
Fred Brewer
@David Stairs
And here is another sneaky way the Irvings and others get a nice tax write-off.
When I go to an Irving Kent store I am frequently asked if I wish to donate to a charity. I always ask if Kent will match my donation and the answer is always no, and then I decline. I don't think it is right for Irving to collect thousands from its customers and then look like a good guy by making the donation and then filing for a tax write-off without donating a single penny!!!
And here is another sneaky way the Irvings and others get a nice tax write-off.
When I go to an Irving Kent store I am frequently asked if I wish to donate to a charity. I always ask if Kent will match my donation and the answer is always no, and then I decline. I don't think it is right for Irving to collect thousands from its customers and then look like a good guy by making the donation and then filing for a tax write-off without donating a single penny!!!
David Amos
@Fred Brewer I don't think
it is right for Irving to collect thousands from its customers and then
look like a good guy by making the donation and then filing for a tax
write-off without donating a single penny!!!
Methinks that is simply standard operating procedure for the Irving Clan N'esy Pas?
Methinks that is simply standard operating procedure for the Irving Clan N'esy Pas?
Roy Kirk
New Brunswick Justice: Pay your fine to yourself and your friends. Be . . . well-connected . . . in this place!
David Amos
@Roy Kirk Methinks the Irving Clan will be allowed to deduct the fine from their taxes as well N'esy Pas?
Roy Kirk
@David Amos I thought fines
were not tax deductible, and so a contribution to a charity in lieu of a
fine would not be deductible either. But I'm no tax accountant/lawyer.
David Amos
@Roy Kirk "I'm no tax accountant/lawyer."
Nor I but methinks everybody knows I am whistleblower about financial crimes who sued many Yankee accountant/lawyers, judges and tax men in 2002 long before I ran for a seat in the 38h Parliament. N'esy Pas?
Nor I but methinks everybody knows I am whistleblower about financial crimes who sued many Yankee accountant/lawyers, judges and tax men in 2002 long before I ran for a seat in the 38h Parliament. N'esy Pas?
Norman Albert Snr
What kind of a deal is that!!!!! You get to dictate where the fines go????
Is this God we are talking about here
Is this God we are talking about here
Bernard McIntyre
@Norman Albert Snr. Of course it is. This is N.B. where the Irving's are supreme.
David Amos
@Bernard McIntyre Sad but Oh So True
Jack Forester
@David Amos Yes sadly, billionaires are the new gods, and we are their pawns.
David Amos
@Jack Forester Methinks the powerful ones ruled over the meek as soon as peoplekind could think N'esy Pas?
Norman Albert Snr
Not a chance in H. Pay your fines on all charges. This special treatment policy needs to stop!!!! NOW!!!!
David Amos
@Norman Albert Snr Methinks it is a small wonder that my first comment has not appeared yet N'esy Pas?
Rene Cusson
Nice...when you get a fine, you can basically give it to yourself and consider it paid?
Fine...the next time I get a speeding ticket, I'm going to take the money for the fine, and rather than pay it, I'll invest it in improvements for my car, in the name of making me a safer driver of course.
It's the same deal...think the courts will go for it? :)
Probably not, because I'm not rich enough to own them, unlike Irving apparently.
Fine...the next time I get a speeding ticket, I'm going to take the money for the fine, and rather than pay it, I'll invest it in improvements for my car, in the name of making me a safer driver of course.
It's the same deal...think the courts will go for it? :)
Probably not, because I'm not rich enough to own them, unlike Irving apparently.
David Amos
@Rene Cusson Methinks the
Irving Clan knows as well as I that everything is political and its
always about the money. Obviously they abide in the Golden Rule of all
corporations and governments. Everybody knows it is "He with the Gold
Makes the Rules" N'esy Pas?
Dan Lee
Remember the blue heron
habitat he destroyed a few years ago.......same thing......he was
allowed to deduct as a contribution.............
David Amos
@Dan Lee Methinks folks should finally wake up, sit up and pay attention N'esy Pas?
Norman Albert Snr
Just when you thought the justice system here couldn't sink any lower???/
Shawn McShane
@Norman Albert Snr It is downright creepy. People are supposed to trust the justice system.
“Very few of the common people realize that the political and legal systems have been corrupted by decades of corporate lobbying.”
― Steven Magee
“Very few of the common people realize that the political and legal systems have been corrupted by decades of corporate lobbying.”
― Steven Magee
David Amos
@Norman Albert Snr Methinks
if you wish to see how low things can go Google my name and Federal
Court then when you find the text to the lawsuit read Statement # 83
real slow Truth is stranger than fiction N'esy Pas?
Fred Brewer
@Norman Albert Snr
Hold on a second. Don't blame the justice system yet. The Crown and the Defendant hammered out this deal without court involvement. But the deal needs court approval and that is what we are waiting for.
Hold on a second. Don't blame the justice system yet. The Crown and the Defendant hammered out this deal without court involvement. But the deal needs court approval and that is what we are waiting for.
Norman Albert Snr
@Fred Brewer Who does the
Crown represent/ Wait..... let me rephrase that. Who is the crown
suppose to represent in our justice system?
David Amos
@Norman Albert Snr "Who is the crown suppose to represent in our justice system?"
Methinks its supposed to be we of peoplekind N'esy Pas?
Methinks its supposed to be we of peoplekind N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Fred Brewer "The Crown and the Defendant hammered out this deal without court involvement. "
Who does the Crown represent?
Who does the Crown represent?
Shawn McShane
All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others
David Amos
@Shawn McShane Methinks George Orwell explained that to us a long time ago N'esy Pas?
Shawn McShane
@David Amos Animal Farm was essential reading when I was in school. Today kids have never heard of it.
David Amos
@Shawn McShane Methinks you
should ask yourself why my one and only comment thus far went "Poof"
after it had been liked several times N'esy Pas/.
Jack Forester
Conflict of interest = a
situation in which a person is in a position to derive personal benefit
from actions or decisions made in their official capacity.
Megalomania = obsession with the exercise of power, especially in the domination of others.
If the shoe fits, wear it. The Irving control & madness never ends.
Megalomania = obsession with the exercise of power, especially in the domination of others.
If the shoe fits, wear it. The Irving control & madness never ends.
David Amos
@Jack Forester Amazing ain't it?
Jack Forester
Ya Mr. Irving, bring back the
salmon that you have killed with effluents and/or fished out of your
private pools so you will once again have plenty to catch with your rich
buddies (govt etc), and have something to point to that was for the
environment. Nothing you will ever do will erase, or make up for the
damages, both financial and environmental, which your companies have
caused directly or indirectly all over this once "Picture Province" and
elsewhere.
David Amos
@Jack Forester Methinks the ghost of old KC and his Clan quite simply don't care N'esy Pas?
Norman Albert Snr
If Irving wants to donate
some on the billions it extracts from NB back into the community great.
They should do so. The fines for criminal activities is quite another
matter. Pay the fines on all charges to the courts and clean up your
messes.
David Amos
@Norman Albert Snr Methinks you must be old enough to know that justice is a myth N'esy Pas?
Colin Seeley
Nothing wrong with this. At least it appears more open and honest than moving revenue numbers from Sunday to Sunday.
David Amos
@Colin Seeley Methinks its not rocket science figuring out who you work for N'esy Pas?
Colin Seeley
@David Amos
I’m a nurse. KMA.
I’m a nurse. KMA.
Samuel Porter
@Colin Seeley Where is KMA?
David Amos
@Samuel Porter Methinks he
wants me to kiss the fat thing he has that is just like what the Crown
and the Irvings have just shown us N'esy Pas?
Samuel Porter
@David Amos baahaaaa yeah
David Amos
@Samuel Porter "In response
to concerns about the proposal to direct Irving Pulp and Paper fine
money to the Miramichi CAST project, JDI spokesperson, Mary Keith said
the research will bring widespread benefits."
FYI I spoke to Madame Keith a couple of years ago about other issues between her bosses and I. The first question I asked the lady was whether or not we were related byway of the Keiths in New Brunswick. She said no that her Clan is in Ontario. For the record she did seem quite nice and very clever as well. Methinks the Irving Clan were wise to pick such a lady as their spokesperson N'esy Pas?
Samuel Porter
I saw the big ad in the TJ
where cast was complaining about inaction on the salmon file. Didn't
realize Irving was the chair. What a farce. Deforestation has to be A
major reason why the salmon are disappearing. Guess I won't be paying
any more attention to that outfit. The chair wanting nbers to complain
to the politicians about not allowing cast to fix the problem that the
chair was a major cause of.
David Amos
@Samuel Porter Methinks I
should be very disappointed but I was not surprised to see an old friend
is apparently supporting this malicious madness No doubt Trudeau The
Younger and his Tax Man would agree that money can ruin the best of
peoplekind N'esy Pas?
Reid Gilker
WOW!! Put the fox in charge
of the hen house, and then allow him to make the decisions as to what is
going to get paid and how much and then dictate to where the monies
will be directed to. Now never mind that these people have been
polluting that river for over the past 50 years, and have been fined
about 1/16 of what they should been fined for it, and then they play
games after. The justice system in N.B. when dealing with the Irving's
has absolutely No Back Bone !! Shame on you!!, SHAME!!, SHAME!!!,
SHAME!!!!
David Amos
@Reid Gilker Methinks folks
should ask Premier Gallant and the Feds how much money the Irving Clan
has received from NB Power Trust that Trump's old buddy Wilbur Ross and
many other Yankees have considered it to be corporate welfare Truth is
stranger than fiction N'esy Pas?
Roy Kirk
Regarding tax-deductability of the the fine, a google search yielded this:
"1.4 Section 67.6 prohibits the deduction of any amount that is a fine or penalty imposed under a federal, provincial, municipal or foreign law by any person or public body that has authority to impose the fine or penalty. Generally, an amount must be characterized as a fine or penalty in the relevant legislation in order for section 67.6 to apply. The legislation imposing the fine or penalty will therefore determine whether an amount is a fine or penalty that may be precluded from deduction by section 67.6." https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency/services/tax/technical-information/income-tax/income-tax-folios-index/series-4-businesses/series-4-businesses-folio-2-deducting-business-expenses/income-tax-folio-s4-f2-c1-deductibility-fines-penalties.html?wbdisable=true#N10591
So this begs the question, under the plea agreement is the portion of the fine paid to the private company still a fine?, or is it a contribution to a charity?, or is it a 'normal' business expense?
"1.4 Section 67.6 prohibits the deduction of any amount that is a fine or penalty imposed under a federal, provincial, municipal or foreign law by any person or public body that has authority to impose the fine or penalty. Generally, an amount must be characterized as a fine or penalty in the relevant legislation in order for section 67.6 to apply. The legislation imposing the fine or penalty will therefore determine whether an amount is a fine or penalty that may be precluded from deduction by section 67.6." https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency/services/tax/technical-information/income-tax/income-tax-folios-index/series-4-businesses/series-4-businesses-folio-2-deducting-business-expenses/income-tax-folio-s4-f2-c1-deductibility-fines-penalties.html?wbdisable=true#N10591
So this begs the question, under the plea agreement is the portion of the fine paid to the private company still a fine?, or is it a contribution to a charity?, or is it a 'normal' business expense?
@Roy Kirk Methinks the obvious answer is that the awful truth the fact the Irving Clan has far more clever lawyers that the CRA has so the Feds will lose any argument they may have to the contrary. Furthemoe many of the aforsaid lawyers The Irving Clan has employed in the past are now judges in many courts.
Trust that the Feds and the Irving Clan know that I encountered one of Irving's former General Counsels in Federal Court on January 11th 2016. After we had quite a hoedown he decided in my favour. To everyone's surprise i appealed a decision I won because of the conflict of interest. Rather hard to believe N'esy Pas?
Richard Riel
Pay the fine and throw out the judge who disagrees who disagrees with that decision.
David Amos
@Richard Riel Methinks many
would agree that we certainly should throw out a judge who disagrees
with a decision that he has yet to make He would as crazy as my politcal
foes claim that I am N'esy Pas?
Richard Riel
Instead of a fine, a prison term would have been preferable.
David Amos
@Richard Riel Now you are talking
Rosco holt
@Richard Riel
Why not both?
Why not both?
David Amos
@Rosco holt Methinks the
Feds, the Irving Clan and a bunch of their buddies are pitching fits
about now but Prof. Tommi Linnansaari, a CAST partner at UNB did say let
the chips fall as they may N'esy Pas?
June Arnott
Irving has and continues to
poison New Brunswick. This fine proves it. This is why the fish are
dying. Pretty simple to figure that out. And the poisoning will
continue because Irving owns NB.
David Amos
@June Arnott Methinks we
should be fair. Even though I have no respect for the Irving Clan
whatsoever I must maintain my own sense of ethics. It should be obvious
that there are many reasons the salmon population is dying off and it
not all could be the Irving's fault. For instance checkout the Salmon
issues in BC and overseas. The Irvings are not everywhere yet N'esy Pas?
Norman Albert Snr
Where are all those "Irving is great" supporters today? Cannabis stores?
The Income from pot cannot replace what we loose from corporate interests not ponying up their fair share. People may feel better under the cloud though.
The Income from pot cannot replace what we loose from corporate interests not ponying up their fair share. People may feel better under the cloud though.
David Amos
@Norman Albert Snr Methinks
the government is making quite score on the potheads in the long lines
today paying too much money for something that can grow like a weed for
free in their backyard or on Crown land. I heard on CBC just now that
pot could overtake beer in sales in short order. I bet the Tax Man will
love that N'esy Pas?
Colin Seeley
Amazing things happen to countries when Corporations have low tax rates and pro business incentives.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailysignal.com/2018/05/14/ireland-lower-its-corporate-tax-rate-heres-what-happened/amp/
If NB were to tax the Irving’s away the trolls on this site might be very happy but the people of NB would soon be in poverty.
The answer to Irving is lower corporate taxes and an influx of other major corporations.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailysignal.com/2018/05/14/ireland-lower-its-corporate-tax-rate-heres-what-happened/amp/
If NB were to tax the Irving’s away the trolls on this site might be very happy but the people of NB would soon be in poverty.
The answer to Irving is lower corporate taxes and an influx of other major corporations.
David Amos
@Colin Seeley So says Mr Trump's and The Irving Clan's #1 local fanboy N'esy Pas?
Norman Albert Snr
@Colin Seeley THE PEOPLE IN THIS PROVINCE ARE IN POVERTY.
With out Irving predatory tactics and special considerations our doors would be open to a more diverse economy. Irving owns NB and everyone knows it!!! That is why we have the lowest house hold income in the country and the highest poverty rate along with high cancer rates. We are the only province in the country to see a declining population rate even with foreign migration. The NUMBERS do not lie.
Irving is going no where even with higher taxes imposed. They no a good thing when they see it, but if they do decide to vacate I would be first in line to help them pack.
With out Irving predatory tactics and special considerations our doors would be open to a more diverse economy. Irving owns NB and everyone knows it!!! That is why we have the lowest house hold income in the country and the highest poverty rate along with high cancer rates. We are the only province in the country to see a declining population rate even with foreign migration. The NUMBERS do not lie.
Irving is going no where even with higher taxes imposed. They no a good thing when they see it, but if they do decide to vacate I would be first in line to help them pack.
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David Amos
@Colin Seeley First you reply
to me with a simple KMA insult which i found rather comical from a
person who does not know how to argue. However now you imply that I am
troll who knows nothing of corporate taxation. If that were even
remotely true how do you explain my suing 3 US Treasury Agents about
covering up the fact that money was stolen from my family's trust and
given to a charitable organization? David Amos
Methinks you should study the file then look at Page 134 very closely and then Google Cardinal Bernard Law N'esy Pas?
https://www.scribd.com/document/2619437/CROSS-BORDER
David Amos
@Norman Albert Snr "The NUMBERS do not lie."
Too bad you did not get to view my reply
Too bad you did not get to view my reply
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David Amos
@Norman Albert Snr "Irving is going no where even with higher taxes imposed. They no a good thing when they see it"
FYI The battles between the Irving Clan and mine began back in the sixties when my Father Max Amos was the supervisor of taxation for New Brunswick until he died in the early eighties. I recall him sending the Sheriff to put the a chain on the gates of the Irving Refinery in order to make old KC pay his property taxes. Clearly one of my Father's sons is still battling the Irving Clan and their many cohorts to this very day N'esy Pas?
Proposed Irving plea deal would put money into Irving-controlled salmon group
James Irving of JDI is chair of CAST, a non-profit trying to bring back wild salmon
A plea deal awaiting approval by a Saint John judge would allow J.D. Irving Ltd. to pay part of its fine for pollution in the St. John River to CAST, an Atlantic salmon conservation company it controls.
The Crown and lawyers for JDI are jointly recommending the plea deal, which would see Irving Pulp and Paper Ltd. plead guilty to three charges related to 15 instances of effluent discharges from its Saint John pulp mill.
CAST, which stands for Collaboration for Atlantic Salmon Tomorrow, is a New Brunswick-registered company chaired by James Irving, the co-CEO of JDI, with Glenn Cooke of Cooke Aquaculture and Saint John businessman Brian Moore listed as fellow directors.
It just doesn't pass the sniff test for me.- Matthew Abbott, Fundy baykeeperUnder the terms of the proposed deal, $2.3 million would be paid by Irving to the federal Environmental Damages Fund and a further $1.1 million would be directed to CAST, which wants to restock the Miramichi River this fall with more than 1,000 wild salmon raised in a hatchery.
CAST's executive director, Andrew Willett, a JDI Woodlands manager, said it is a non-profit corporation.
The proposal to direct the money to a Miramichi River project far away from the St. John River, where the pollution occurred, is galling to Fundy baykeeper Matthew Abbott.
Non-profit challenges DFO
CAST is already mired in a very public dispute with scientists at the Department of Fisheries and Oceans over the Miramichi project.
The company took out a full page ad in Saturday's Telegraph-Journal urging readers to lobby the department's Moncton office, their members of Parliament and MLAs in favour of CAST's plans for the Miramichi River.
- Irving Pulp and Paper pleads guilty to pollution charges, faces $3.5M penalty
- JDI, Crown reach deal to reduce 15 pollution charges against Saint John mill
"We don't need more study, more talk or more of the status-quo — we need immediate action — or it will soon be too late."
In 2015, three-year-old wild Atlantic salmon smolt from the Miramichi were captured and raised in a hatchery.
CAST slow to consult First Nations
They were to be released into the river this fall in the same place they were originally captured in order to spawn, but the Fisheries Department is refusing to issue the necessary permit, arguing the release could weaken the wild fish population.
"Fisheries and Oceans Canada has a responsibility to consider the benefits of this type of scientific experiment along with the risks to wild Atlantic salmon populations and level of support from partners, including Indigenous communities who access these salmon populations for food," Frank Stanek, manager of media relations for the department, said in an email.
- Wild Atlantic salmon numbers drop 15 per cent
- Mi'kmaq chiefs blast both sides in Miramichi salmon-stocking controversy
"We were brought into the project late and from our perspective, as a primary user of the resource in our traditional territory, to say it was an insult would be an understatement," Ginnish said. "You are talking about a food that has deep cultural significance."
Suggests leaving river alone
Ginnish said CAST's newspaper ad on Saturday did not reflect First Nations concerns raised in the past. The organization, he said, "hit the panic button hard."
"You know we've suggested if everyone feels that the salmon is truly at risk on this river, then shut the whole river down to everyone. Give it a couple of years to see what happens, let Mother Nature do the work. Not a scientific experiment on a system that still has a viable population."
"We agreed to all of the mitigation measures that were suggested in that report," said Willett. "We thought that we had met all the conditions that DFO had laid out for the science.
"We're very surprised that now they're saying that they still have concerns about the science."
Willett says early stages of the project - including capturing the salmon smolts - had the blessing of DFO.
Concerns about mingling
The Atlantic Salmon Federation, a major North American conservation group, also has serious concerns that re-introducing the hatchery fish could weaken the wild fish population overall.
Fish of the same age that have remained in the wild have already survived a 5,000-kilometre ocean journey before returning to the river system.
"I would say that the broad consensus within the scientific community on this question would lean strongly against this type of an activity," said Crabbe.
Both sides have supporters
Several partners are lined up with CAST, including the Miramichi Salmon Association, which has seen a $2 million upgrade of its South Esk hatchery to accommodate the larger adult fish, scientists with the Canadian Rivers Institute at the University of New Brunswick, and several lodge owners, fishing clubs and the river communities of Upper Miramichi, Blackville and Doaktown.
"We believe that the Miramichi salmon population is really in trouble. We believe that the numbers are going down at a rate that is not sustainable … salmon population recovery becomes very much more difficult when you go to your last legs," said Prof. Tommi Linnansaari, a CAST partner at UNB.
He said steps are being taken to ensure that strong adult fish are placed in the river and that they and their offspring are carefully monitored afterward to discover how the process can be improved.
He said the three-year-old smolts collected in the wild have already survived a difficult natural selection process.
"We're keeping the winners that nature has selected, and we're borrowing them from nature for a little bit so they don't go back to the ocean — because that's where currently the high mortality is happening — and as the fish mature, then we just put them back where they came from. Now we let the chips fall as they may."
Sees benefits for other rivers
In response to concerns about the proposal to direct Irving Pulp and Paper fine money to the Miramichi CAST project, JDI spokesperson, Mary Keith said the research will bring widespread benefits.
"My understanding of CAST is that their research work will deliver models of conservation that can be adapted to other rivers, including the St. John," she said. "ARIS technology, the database, cold water refugia, as well as smolt to adult supplementation are all examples of this.
"The intent is to transfer learnings from the Miramichi to other rivers in New Brunswick."
Judge David Walker is expected to issue a decision on the proposed plea deal on Nov. 5.
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