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The NDP is in trouble — and that's bad news for the Conservatives

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Paul Grablowski

Conservatives are asking themselves can they win with Andrew Scheer, and the answer is a resounding 'NO'. Not a chance.

Donald Simpson

@Paul Grablowski That may be true but It is a sure bet by 100% that the Liberals will tax use to death and run up the largest debt on the planet. I will check in with you in a few years to see how you like your boy wonder !!!!!!

Matt Thuaii

@Donald Simpson

“Tax to death”, “why isn’t the budget balancing itself?”, “We don’t want rusty old Australian planes,”...

Conservatives don’t produce policy or govern anymore; they slogan and attack ad.

David Amos

@Matt Thuaii

For the record I agree with Éric Grenier this time,

Methinks amazing things never cease N'esy Pas?

David Amos

@Paul Grablowski Conservatives are asking themselves can they win with Andrew Scheer, and the answer is a resounding 'NO'. Not a chance.

Methinks Mr Prime Minister Trudeau The Younger and his political foes such as Harper 2.0 and the lawyer Maxime are very well aware that I agree with you as well They all know that the NDP and the Green Meanies are far too dumb to read my emails or listen to me on the phone N'esy Pas?

Richard Sharp

@Neil Turv

Neil, on your "no one notable" quip, there's an obvious reason for that. The Cons have no match for Justin Trudeau right now, and not even a glint of one in the future.

 
Bryan Atkinson

The drop in NDP popularity helps the Liberals. The rise in Bernier popularity hurts Scheer.

Both are good news for Trudeau.

David Amos

@Bryan Atkinson "Both are good news for Trudeau."

Methinks it would be wise to bear in mind why this article was published and by whom N'esy Pas?

Troy Mann

@Lawrence Vickers

The condescending attitude from conservatives is their biggest problem. Either you are with us or a fool is what conservatives think of canadians

 
Jane Martin
The Conservatives will be in trouble because they elected Scheer as their leader. He might be a genuinely nice man but he has no personality or leadership qualities whatsoever.

And the Conservatives will be in trouble because they keep putting forth policies that basically copy the Liberals. It is about time they put forth policies that say what they stand for and how they differentiate themselves from the other parties. Enough of just trying not to make waves.

And this comes from a long standing Conservative. I am p....d off right now and might just vote for Bernier's party if he runs a candidate in my riding.

David Amos

@Jane Martin "He might be a genuinely nice man but he has no personality or leadership qualities whatsoever"

Methinks everybody seated in Parliament knows that Harper 2.0 as Speaker and his lawyer buddy Maxime laughed at me when I sued the Queen in 2015 and ran for a seat in Parliament again However he who laughs last laughs best N'esy Pas?

The NDP is in trouble — and that's bad news for the Conservatives

A strong NDP can be both a cause and symptom of an ailing Liberal Party

Éric Grenier · CBC News · Posted: Nov 21, 2018 4:00 AM ET 

Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer needs two things to close the polling gap on the Liberals: more swing voters moving back to the Conservatives and more centre-left voters drifting to the NDP. (Sean Kilpatrick/Canadian Press)


As the next federal election approaches, Andrew Scheer's Conservatives might be asking themselves whether they can win without a strong NDP.

With the New Democrats and their leader, Jagmeet Singh, struggling in the polls, the answer to that question might not be the one the Conservatives want to hear.

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Things aren't going very well for the NDP. The party sits at 15.8 per cent support in the CBC's Poll Tracker, an aggregation of all publicly available polling data. That number would put it on track for its worst performance since 2004. At that level of support, the New Democrats likely would win around 20 seats — less than half of the party's current standing in the House of Commons.


Singh hasn't been able to make a very strong impression on Canadians so far. The impression that he has left is trending negative. The latest survey from Abacus Data found just 19 per cent of Canadians holding a positive view of the NDP leader, a number that has slid consistently from the 24 per cent Singh scored at the beginning of the year.

Nanos Research finds that just eight per cent of Canadians pick Singh as the best person to be prime minister, putting him only two points ahead of Elizabeth May, leader of the single-seat Greens, and six points ahead of Maxime Bernier, who formed the People's Party of Canada only a few months ago. Singh's numbers have been wobbling back and forth in Nanos's weekly tracking.

Fundraising is also going slowly for the party: it raised just $5.2 million in the year following Singh's leadership victory in October 2017. That's only marginally better than the party's performance in the preceding 12 months, when Tom Mulcair was at the helm as caretaker and members' fundraising was being diverted in part to the leadership contest to replace him. (The Conservatives have raised $22.7 million and the Liberals $15.3 million in the last year.)

An anemic NDP is part of the reason the Liberals still lead in the Poll Tracker with 37.8 per cent support — but the Conservatives are playing a role in that as well.

The Conservative Party has 32.2 per cent support, a figure virtually unchanged since the 2015 federal election. Certainly, Scheer would be trailing the Liberals by a smaller amount if the NDP was eating away at Liberal support — but he'd also be doing better if he was flipping swing voters over to his own party as well.

That's why a struggling NDP is a bad omen for the Conservatives. A strong NDP can be a cause of a weak Liberal Party. It can also be a symptom.

Conservatives don't need a strong NDP - but it helps

It's no secret that Conservatives tend to welcome strong New Democrat polling. A robust NDP was cited as a necessity by Jenni Byrne, Stephen Harper's campaign manager, after the party was defeated in the 2015 federal election. The historical record shows why.

In the 18 elections held since the New Democrats' first contested an election in 1962, the party has averaged 14.8 per cent of the vote whenever the Liberals have formed government. They have averaged 19.6 per cent of the vote in the elections that ended in victory for the Conservatives (or their predecessors, the Progressive Conservatives).

The tipping point for the Conservatives seems to be around 17 per cent support for the NDP. New Democrats have managed 17 per cent of the vote or less in eight elections. The Liberals won seven of those; in the eighth election, in 1962, John Diefenbaker's PCs were reduced from a record-breaking majority government to a slim minority.

Of the elections that saw the NDP receive more than 17 per cent support, however, six ended in victory for the Conservatives and four left the Liberals in power (in two of those four Liberal wins, however, the party was kept to a minority).

Two of the three majority governments the Conservatives have secured since 1962 coincided with the NDP's best ever results — in 1988 (20.4 per cent) and in 2011 (30.6 per cent). The Conservatives' third majority, in 1984, happened as the NDP took 18.8 per cent of the vote — its fifth-best result.

NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh has not seen his party's support increase in the polls and his own personal popularity has been trending negative. (Sean Kilpatrick/Canadian Press)

It's a small sample size, but it does suggest a pattern. When the NDP is struggling, the Liberals have a high likelihood of winning. When the NDP is doing well, the Conservatives tend to have the edge. With the New Democrats currently under 16 per cent, the Poll Tracker accordingly gives the Conservatives less than a one-in-eight chance of winning the most seats in an election held today.

It isn't, however, a simple matter of vote-splitting between Liberals and New Democrats. For example, the PC landslide majority government in 1984, when Brian Mulroney captured 50 per cent of the vote, had nothing to do with a split centre-left vote.

Instead, the NDP's score was a reflection of the weakness of the Liberals at the time: in that election, the Liberals lost votes to the PCs as well as the NDP.

Decisive seats at stake

There isn't a strong regional character to this pattern. In elections the Conservatives win, the New Democrats have tended to perform six percentage points higher in British Columbia and Quebec than they do when the Liberals win. In Ontario, the NDP tends to perform four points higher in elections the Conservatives win. A boom in NDP support in any one region isn't enough to push the Conservatives over the top: they need New Democrats to be doing well pretty much everywhere.

A large part of the reason the Liberals are looking good for the 2019 election right now is the drop in NDP poll numbers Quebec — the party is down nine points there from the last election. The Poll Tracker suggests that the Liberals are in a position to pick up about 14 seats in Quebec at the NDP's expense.

(One wild card to consider for 2019 is the performance of the Greens, currently sitting at 7.5 per cent in the Poll Tracker, their highest level of support since before the last election. If the party's support increases significantly, as it did in the last provincial elections in B.C. and New Brunswick, it could have an unpredictable effect on the results. Or, the party's support could deflate by election day, as has happened in the past.)

The Conservatives can take advantage of the NDP's slide in a few areas of the country, particularly in the Prairies. But the Liberals have potential for gains in B.C.'s Lower Mainland as well, making it a bit of a wash. The Conservatives have little to gain directly from a weaker NDP.

But they have much to gain (indirectly) from a stronger NDP. There could be dozens of ridings around the country (in the Greater Toronto Area, especially) where Liberals and Conservatives are looking at close contests next year, and where the NDP has little historical support. In those ridings, even small shifts in the New Democrat vote could have large effects on the results.

So Scheer might spend the next 11 months looking at two sets of numbers in the polls to get a sense of his chances in 2019 — his own and Singh's.

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Éric Grenier

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Éric Grenier is a senior writer and the CBC's polls analyst. He was the founder of ThreeHundredEight.com and has written for The Globe and Mail, Huffington Post Canada, The Hill Times, Le Devoir, and L’actualité.

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