David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
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Surprise Surprise Surprise Methinks CBC should try telling folks something that they don't already know N'esy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2019/06/impeccable-timing-turns-fall-election.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pharmacare-hoskins-drug-costs-trudeau-1.5173202
Impeccable timing turns the fall election into a referendum on pharmacare
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Surprise Surprise Surprise
Mo Bennett
Andy doesn't trust the liberals? you should never trust ANY politician! they are not interested in yer well being, (witch, is supposed to be their job) they are only interested in pleasing the back room boys, towing the party line, making things nice for their 1% pals and their entitlements.
David Amos
Reply to @mo bennett: YO MO Methinks you should try telling folks something that they don't already know N'esy Pas?
Mo Bennett
Reply to @David Amos: in case ya haven't noticed, they've all got their hearing aids turned off!
Mo Bennett
so, Eric, since yer concerned about money, can ya tell the audience about yer thoughts on, oh, let's say phoenix?
David Amos
Reply to @mo bennett: YO MO Methinks you must like the sound of crickets N'esy Pas?
Steve Duncan
Smoke and mirrors won't make the slightest difference in October....Liberals are one and done in the fall.
Matt Thuaii
Reply to @Steve Duncan:
Right now Mr. Scheer is the only one against common sense. I can only assume his position won’t change by October. If wishes were horses...
...beggars would ride.
Right now Mr. Scheer is the only one against common sense. I can only assume his position won’t change by October. If wishes were horses...
...beggars would ride.
Edward Andrews
Reply to @Matt
Thuaii: It isn't common sense to continue to spend money you don't have.
Perhaps if Trudeau hadn't dumped and un-forecasted $4 billion into
nationalizing a pipeline, millions more into illegals, funding China's
banks and countless other wastes this would be something we could look
at. Right now we need to grip govt out of control spending.
Neil
Gregory
Reply to @Steve Duncan:
"Liberals are one and done in the fall."
One can only hope!
"Liberals are one and done in the fall."
One can only hope!
Neil
Gregory
Reply to @Matt Thuaii:
"Mr. Scheer is the only one against common sense. "
And, a very poor choice as Trudeau's replacement.
"Mr. Scheer is the only one against common sense. "
And, a very poor choice as Trudeau's replacement.
Neil
Gregory
Reply to @Edward Andrews:
"It isn't common sense to continue to spend money you don't have."
Someone should have told that to Trudeau the first, Mulroney and Harper as well as Trudeau II.
"It isn't common sense to continue to spend money you don't have."
Someone should have told that to Trudeau the first, Mulroney and Harper as well as Trudeau II.
Edward Andrews
Reply to @Neil
Gregory: Govt uses our money to buy our favour from us. Harper staved
off the worst of a global economic crisis, Trudeau II lacks the ability
to make decisions based on anything other than his feelings - what makes
him feel warm and fuzzy inside. I don't think of any politician as
having a iota of leadership skill but hope logic and reason along with
the moral fortitude to make the unpopular but responsible decision would
be something they could aspire to have. Trudeau's lack of self esteem
and petulant child like ways means he needs the constant pat on the head
or he has a tantrum and start with the syrupy sermonizing but with the
experience and wisdom of a child.
Jane Miller
Reply to @Edward Andrews: "It isn't common sense to continue to spend money you don't have. "
25% of all federal debt, since confederation, was from just Harper. He was, by far, the second worst spender the country has ever had. The worst? Mulroney.
Cons don't balance budgets, haven't for 50 years. If you care about the debt, they are not the party you should vote for.
25% of all federal debt, since confederation, was from just Harper. He was, by far, the second worst spender the country has ever had. The worst? Mulroney.
Cons don't balance budgets, haven't for 50 years. If you care about the debt, they are not the party you should vote for.
Matt
Thuaii
Reply to @Edward Andrews:
Canadians already overspend $30 billion per year on ”pharmacare” under the current system. The universal plan the Liberals support would cost half as much and cover all Canadians. The data supports this and so do most Canadians. Propagandizing and social media manipulation aside (including the vote system on this site), the numbers support a shift toward common sense...
...and a shift away from paid posters and politicians like Scheer who serve corporate masters and a mentality that makes Canadians sicker, not stronger.
Canadians already overspend $30 billion per year on ”pharmacare” under the current system. The universal plan the Liberals support would cost half as much and cover all Canadians. The data supports this and so do most Canadians. Propagandizing and social media manipulation aside (including the vote system on this site), the numbers support a shift toward common sense...
...and a shift away from paid posters and politicians like Scheer who serve corporate masters and a mentality that makes Canadians sicker, not stronger.
Patrick Martin
Reply to @Steve Duncan:
Just take the subsidies, tax cuts and straight up gifts to the oil and gas sector and put it into Pharmacare. That will more than pay for it.
Just take the subsidies, tax cuts and straight up gifts to the oil and gas sector and put it into Pharmacare. That will more than pay for it.
James Holden
Reply to @Steve Duncan:
Don't count your chickens before they're hatched.
Don't count your chickens before they're hatched.
James Holden
Reply to @Neil Gregory:
The NDP can't win this time 'round.
They can hand the election to the Conservatives which the majority of Canadians do not want.
The NDP can't win this time 'round.
They can hand the election to the Conservatives which the majority of Canadians do not want.
James Holden
Reply to @Edward Andrews:
Harper wanted to deregulate the Canadian banking industry but was stopped by opposition parties.
If he had succeeded, Canada, recession would have been as bad as our southern neighbor's.
He was an ideological fool and is still setting the agenda for the Conservatives.
Harper wanted to deregulate the Canadian banking industry but was stopped by opposition parties.
If he had succeeded, Canada, recession would have been as bad as our southern neighbor's.
He was an ideological fool and is still setting the agenda for the Conservatives.
Craig Hall
Reply to @Jane
Miller: Do remember the the worst recession since the great depression?
If you wantedto be taken seriously, you would mention that.
David Amos
Reply to @Steve
Duncan: So you say Methinks from here to October is an eternity for
political pundits waiting for the the fat lady to sing about the results
N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @James Holden: "He was an ideological fool and is still setting the agenda for the Conservatives."
YUP
YUP
David Amos
Reply to @James Holden: "Harper wanted to deregulate the Canadian banking industry but was stopped by opposition parties."
Methinks you may enjoy Googling "Harper and Bankers" N'esy Pas?
Methinks you may enjoy Googling "Harper and Bankers" N'esy Pas?
Luke Armstrong
Reply to @Steve Duncan:
I'm counting on it Steve!
I'm counting on it Steve!
Ryan Tasker
Reply to @Steve
Duncan: Wishful thinking... the only way that'll happen is if Scheer
simply doesn't show up and doesn't say a word for the entire election.
Should he say ANYTHING, he'll show his true colours and how inept he is
and it'll be game over for the Conservatives.
So let's hope he says something...
So let's hope he says something...
Garry Hiebert
Reply to @Matt Thuaii:
Common sense is living within your means keeping your promises respect for people who go to work every day to support their families respect for women respect for veterans respect for ethics respect for all of Canada. None which Trudeau has none.
Common sense is living within your means keeping your promises respect for people who go to work every day to support their families respect for women respect for veterans respect for ethics respect for all of Canada. None which Trudeau has none.
Richard Sharp
Reply to @Steve Duncan:
No smoke. No name calling. No insults.
Just policy.
No smoke. No name calling. No insults.
Just policy.
Garry Hiebert
Reply to @Jane
Miller: your statement is untrue and deflection. Trudeau is breaking is
promises for low deficits and balance budget in year three. Harper
dealt with a world wide recession Trudeau has only himself to blame for
the massive deficits he has created
Richard Sharp
Reply to @Garry Hiebert:
Trudeau made a remarkable 353 campaign promises and has met or is in the course of meeting over 90% of them, with 5% still unrated. Only 19 have been deemed broken:
https://www.poltext.org/en/polimeter
Trudeau made a remarkable 353 campaign promises and has met or is in the course of meeting over 90% of them, with 5% still unrated. Only 19 have been deemed broken:
https://www.poltext.org/en/polimeter
David Amos
Reply to @Richard Sharp: Yea Right
Rob Preston
All one needs to know is this guy was Wynn,s minister of Health. Trudeau has surrounded himself with a lot of shady ex Ontario liberals. Wonder why?
Richard Sharp
Reply to @Rob Preston:
Funny I am unable to criticize your unsubstantiated personal attack against Dr. Hoskins.
David Amos
Reply to @Richard Sharp: Cry me a river
Rod Begin
Trudeau out to buy votes with our money, impeccable timing only in the subsidized media eyes!
Richard Sharp
Reply to @Rod Begin:
A long overdue national pharmacare plan is part of Trudeau's vision thing. The Cons have been missing one of those since Mulroney.
A long overdue national pharmacare plan is part of Trudeau's vision thing. The Cons have been missing one of those since Mulroney.
David Amos
Reply to @Richard Sharp: Methinks you post a lot of things just to promote a dispute N'esy Pas?
Ron Booth
I
think Trudeau's carbon tax should cover the cost, as we all know he's
not using it for carbon reduction. If you believe Trudeau then you
should not vote!
David Amos
Reply to @Ron Booth: "If you believe Trudeau then you should not vote!"
Methinks in the real world you would have explain your logic to a lot of liberals real slow N'esy Pas?
Methinks in the real world you would have explain your logic to a lot of liberals real slow N'esy Pas?
Elias Eliot
Once
a product becomes available "free" consumption tends to increase
significantly. Therefore the 15 billion price tag it is not going to
be the final cost of the program. And, as usual, they never tell us
how we are going to pay for it.
Richard Sharp
Reply to @Elias Eliot:
Nonsense. Governments table budgets with projections at least five years out. For the first time ever, we will benefit this election from the PBO's costing of party platforms. You can thank the Libs for that and a slew of other meaningful electoral reforms which, no surprise, the corporate media have ignored in favour of faux scandal-mongering.
Nonsense. Governments table budgets with projections at least five years out. For the first time ever, we will benefit this election from the PBO's costing of party platforms. You can thank the Libs for that and a slew of other meaningful electoral reforms which, no surprise, the corporate media have ignored in favour of faux scandal-mongering.
David Amos
Reply to @Richard Sharp: "faux scandal-mongering"
Methinks it must have took you all day to dream up that expression N'esy Pas?
Methinks it must have took you all day to dream up that expression N'esy Pas?
Kevan Cleverbridge (Hill 70)
Nope,this election will be about all the Trudeau Liberal failures,Carbon Tax,SNC Lavalin,Vice Admiral Norman,and the list goes on...
David Amos
Reply to @Kevan Cleverbridge (Hill 70): I agree
Methinks most folks don't even know who Harper 2.0 is N'esy Pas?
Andre Garafolo
Not sure what's worse: the incessant debt-piling or the condescension implying that we can't smell this as election-year deflection. I'm no Con, but neither am I a mindless seal blindly barking and flapping my fins (arf arf arf) along with every multi-gajillion dollar idea to come out of Ottawa. Something has to give for pharmacare to take . . . it's called balance. You know, that thing that we try to teach . . . our children. Who bear the burden of these decisions.
George Bath
Reply to @Andre Garafolo: do you know what CPA's do?
Carl Starr
Reply to @george
bath: George you have all the answer? Please put your name on the
ballot. We need more hot air coming out of Ottawa.
George Bath
Reply to @Carl Starr: is this your attempt at mindless shaming online? ....next
George Lange
Reply to @Andre Garafolo: excellent
Carl Starr
Reply to @george bath: George buddy, pal really need your help in Ottawa.
George Bath
Reply to @Carl Starr: lets talk about you.
Bryan Pollock
Reply to @Andre
Garafolo: Sure would be nice if we could use some of that dirty oil
money to pay for social services that benefit the majority of Canadians.
Oh, well, I guess we can just keep buying it from those fine folks in
Saudi Arabia.
David Amos
Reply to @george bath: "Do you know what CPA's do?"
I do
I do
David Amos
Reply to @Carl Starr: 'Please put your name on the ballot"
I do
I do
JAKE RUSSO
Libs promised Pharmacare every election since early 90's. Suckers will buy this "promise" again
Marcus Garvey
Reply to @JAKE RUSSO: Actually they haven’t but 28 posters were suckered in by your post.
David Amos
Reply to @Marcus Garvey: What is your tally?
Steve Timmins
CBC doing what they can to make Canadians forget about all of Trudeau's gaffe, deceit, embarrassments etc
Sorry but it won;t work on me and I voted for Trudeau last time.
George Bath
Reply to @Steve Timmins: I love reminding Canadians of the ex conservative government gaffes, deceit and embarrasments. that's what I do.
Steve Timmins
Reply to @george
bath: Fair enough, but I hold each gov't accountable as they come
instead of giving childlike partisan support.
Elma Fayerrly
Reply to @Steve Timmins: Sure you did. Tell us another one.
Carl Starr
Reply to @george bath: George your like TVO, know one watches!LOL Cheers
Steve Timmins
Reply to @Elma Fayerrly: Read my old comments. I even explain why I voted for him.
Carl Starr
Reply to @Scott Douglas: I can't stop laughing. Cheers
Kay McLeod
Reply to @Steve
Timmins: Thank you, Steve. I have a lot of trust in the good sense of
Canadians not to fall for these tricks....hopefully.
David Amos
Reply to @Steve Timmins: YUP
David Amos
Reply to @george bath: "I love reminding Canadians of the ex conservative government gaffes, deceit and embarrasments"
Me too
Me too
Mike Heart
I would never sell out for a piece of candy from Trudeau. He has proven himself to be incompetent in every way and our country has lost just about all respect on the world stage.
David Amos
Reply to @Mike Heart: Good for you
Impeccable timing turns the fall election into a referendum on pharmacare
The Liberals knew when Eric Hoskins' report would land - and could guess at what it was likely to say
Dr.
Eric Hoskins, chair of the Advisory Council on the Implementation of
National Pharmacare, arrives at a press conference at the National Press
Theatre in Ottawa on Wednesday, June 12, 2019. (Sean Kilpatrick/THE CANADIAN PRESS)
Eric Hoskins says the time is right for Canada to create a universal pharmacare system.
The timing of his report calling on the federal government to finally do that might not be so bad, either.
"We know (pharmacare) is going to be part of the fall election campaign," the former Ontario health minister said in an interview Wednesday on the podcast edition of The House.
"So for me, there is no better time to have this discussion than with all Canadians in the context of politicians asking for their support. This is such a profound and important part of our conversation that it deserves that attention."
The Liberals appointed Hoskins last year to lead an advisory council tasked with coming up with a plan to implement a national pharmacare system, knowing his report would land now.
What they didn't know (but probably guessed) is that the report would come back as it did — with a recommendation to establish a universal, single-payer public system that would mirror medicare.
Canada is the only country with a universal health care system that doesn't also cover prescription drugs. Hoskins said that's one of the reasons Canadians pay the third-highest per capita drug costs among developed countries, trailing only the United States and Switzerland. It's also one of the reasons, he said, that one Canadian in five doesn't take their medicine as prescribed.
Moving to a national pharmacare plan would not be cheap. The report estimates the annual price tag for a pharmacare program, which it says could be fully implemented by 2027, would be $15 billion.
The timing of his report calling on the federal government to finally do that might not be so bad, either.
"We know (pharmacare) is going to be part of the fall election campaign," the former Ontario health minister said in an interview Wednesday on the podcast edition of The House.
"So for me, there is no better time to have this discussion than with all Canadians in the context of politicians asking for their support. This is such a profound and important part of our conversation that it deserves that attention."
The Liberals appointed Hoskins last year to lead an advisory council tasked with coming up with a plan to implement a national pharmacare system, knowing his report would land now.
What they didn't know (but probably guessed) is that the report would come back as it did — with a recommendation to establish a universal, single-payer public system that would mirror medicare.
Canada's costly drugs
Canada is the only country with a universal health care system that doesn't also cover prescription drugs. Hoskins said that's one of the reasons Canadians pay the third-highest per capita drug costs among developed countries, trailing only the United States and Switzerland. It's also one of the reasons, he said, that one Canadian in five doesn't take their medicine as prescribed.
Moving to a national pharmacare plan would not be cheap. The report estimates the annual price tag for a pharmacare program, which it says could be fully implemented by 2027, would be $15 billion.
CBC News
Scheer reacts to proposed universal pharmacare
Conservative leader
Andrew Scheer says he does not trust the Liberals to implement a new
universal pharmacare plan proposed by a government advisory council. 0:45
"I don't believe anybody thinks that when Liberals announce multi-billion dollar spending programs, that they're going to save money," he told reporters. "The fact of the matter is, they've been making this promise since 1997 and in the dying days of a scandal-plagued government, they're trying to bring this forward."
What Scheer didn't mention is what a pharmacare program would save individual taxpayers. Hoskins estimates the annual saving for the average family would be around $350, and $750 annually per employee for corporations that offer drug plans to their staff. He said another $5 billion could be saved through a reduction in hospital admissions and visits to emergency wards due to people taking the medication they need when they need it.
NDP got there first
The NDP pegged the savings to families at $550 when the party announced its own universal, single-payer pharmacare plan as a major plank in its 2019 platform.
NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh was quick to point out that the Liberals haven't come close to committing to the NDP vision of pharmacare, or to the one set out in Hoskins' report.
"This isn't the Liberals' plan," he told reporters. "The report supports our plan. Our plan is out there."
Politics News
Singh says pharmacare report mirrors NDP plan
NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh
welcomes the report by Dr. Hoskins but says that the PM has yet to say
that he supports the call for universal pharmacare. 1:30
But he was (as politicians like to say) 'perfectly clear' that the best approach to pharmacare might not be pharmacare as such, but rather some plan to fill in the gaps in existing coverage — for the self-employed, for example, who don't have insurance, or for small companies that can't afford to provide drug plans to their employees.
On Wednesday, the Liberals said they were committed to introducing a national pharmacare plan — although they didn't quite commit to the specifics in Hoskins' report. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said he accepted the report, calling it a "foundation" for a national pharmacare program.
His health minister, Ginette Petitpas-Taylor, said she hadn't read the report when she tabled it in the Commons. She promised to carefully review the recommendations and work with the provinces and others in the health care field to consider next steps.
Realistically, those next steps can't happen until after the election. The current prime minister, or the next one, would have to meet with the premiers to work out a plan.
Could the premiers be convinced?
Liberals insist Trudeau is well-positioned to do that, despite his recent confrontations with Conservative and conservative-minded premiers over energy policy and the federal carbon price.
Still, health-care costs are the single largest budget item for every province. Hammering out a deal to reduce prescription costs might be enough of a priority for the premiers to convince them to cooperate with Trudeau — even the ones who see him as an opponent rather than a teammate.
The current arrangement, Hoskins said, is putting too many Canadians in a terrible bind. The cancer patients who need specialized drugs that are covered in every province but the one they live in. The families forced to move to a new province to ensure that a drug their child needs to stay alive is covered.
Drug costs are continuing to rise. An election is coming.
Eric Hoskins thinks the time is right. The timing of his report might even be better.
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