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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/horizon-health-nursing-shortage-1.5184573
Nurse shortage leads to bed closures while province does nothing, says Horizon chair
Saint John Regional Hospital forced to close six beds
Horizon Health Network says the province and universities have to do something to get more nursing students this fall. (CBC)
Saint John Regional Hospital has closed
six more beds as a shortage of nurses forces New Brunswick hospitals to
reduce services, says the chair of the Horizon Health Network board.
Universities and the province need to solve the shortage and increase the number of nursing students in New Brunswick because the situation is getting worse, John McGarry told the board Thursday.
"We're really ticked off that things aren't going fast enough and somebody has got to do their job," he said.
The Saint John closures come after reductions at Horizon and Vitalité health networks in Bathurst, Moncton and Perth-Andover.
"We've hit the largest, the smallest, the north, the south, the French, the English, all because of this nurse situation. And I think we need people to sort of follow up with our concerns in a bit expedient fashion and a bit more effectively."
McGarry has said there are 200 permanent, full- and part-time nursing vacancies at Horizon hospitals across the province, with the greatest need in Saint John, Moncton and some smaller communities.
The Nursing Association of New Brunswick has said it is expecting a shortage of 5,000 nurses in the next five years.
Meanwhile, in April, the provincial government announced it will be cutting $8.7 million in funding for nursing programs.
"I haven't heard anything from universities other than we're putting tuition up," McGarry said.
The province has said two nursing-seat purchase agreements were signed with University of New Brunswick and the University of Moncton in 2005-2006.
The agreements, which expired March 31, were to fund 95 additional nursing seats a year — 57 at UNB and 38 at Moncton.
On Friday, Holder said in an emailed statement that addressing the nursing shortage is a government priority. The province and others are in the final stages of work on a nursing strategy, "which includes action items," the statement said.
"I'm really scared that July 1st is coming because that's summer. And I'm really scared that September's coming and we're losing a whole cohort that could be sitting in seats," he said.
"There's more candidates for those seats now. They could be learning in September and more could be learning in January."
Asked for comment, the University of New Brunswick and the University of Moncton both said they are working with the province to address the nursing shortage.
Dr. Petra Hauf, vice-president of UNB Saint John, said the university is also admitting the students who were accepted into the nursing program before the government's budget cuts.
"We are working in partnership with government representatives to ensure we are properly funded to fulfil the nursing educational needs and are committed to finding a solution," said an emailed statement from Hauf.
Universities and the province need to solve the shortage and increase the number of nursing students in New Brunswick because the situation is getting worse, John McGarry told the board Thursday.
"We're really ticked off that things aren't going fast enough and somebody has got to do their job," he said.
The Saint John closures come after reductions at Horizon and Vitalité health networks in Bathurst, Moncton and Perth-Andover.
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"We've hit the largest, the smallest, the north, the south, the French, the English, all because of this nurse situation. And I think we need people to sort of follow up with our concerns in a bit expedient fashion and a bit more effectively."
John
McGarry, the chair of Horizon Health Network's board, has said there
are 200 permanent full- and part-time nursing vacancies at Horizon
hospitals. (CBC)
McGarry has said there are 200 permanent, full- and part-time nursing vacancies at Horizon hospitals across the province, with the greatest need in Saint John, Moncton and some smaller communities.
The Nursing Association of New Brunswick has said it is expecting a shortage of 5,000 nurses in the next five years.
Meanwhile, in April, the provincial government announced it will be cutting $8.7 million in funding for nursing programs.
"I haven't heard anything from universities other than we're putting tuition up," McGarry said.
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The province has said two nursing-seat purchase agreements were signed with University of New Brunswick and the University of Moncton in 2005-2006.
The agreements, which expired March 31, were to fund 95 additional nursing seats a year — 57 at UNB and 38 at Moncton.
On Friday, Holder said in an emailed statement that addressing the nursing shortage is a government priority. The province and others are in the final stages of work on a nursing strategy, "which includes action items," the statement said.
Fall is coming
McGarry wants to see more nursing students enrolled in programs starting in September."I'm really scared that July 1st is coming because that's summer. And I'm really scared that September's coming and we're losing a whole cohort that could be sitting in seats," he said.
"There's more candidates for those seats now. They could be learning in September and more could be learning in January."
Asked for comment, the University of New Brunswick and the University of Moncton both said they are working with the province to address the nursing shortage.
Dr. Petra Hauf, vice-president of UNB Saint John, said the university is also admitting the students who were accepted into the nursing program before the government's budget cuts.
"We are working in partnership with government representatives to ensure we are properly funded to fulfil the nursing educational needs and are committed to finding a solution," said an emailed statement from Hauf.
With files from Information Morning Moncton
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David Amos
Methinks political people should quit playing games with other people's lives over language and money N'esy Pas?
Mark (Junkman) George
Reply to @David Amos:
My turn for getting disabled David I *guess* I just don't buy into the narrative the CBC is trying to sell?
Cindy Fordyce
Reply to @Mark (Junkman) George: CBC isn't "trying to sell" anything. They are reporting on what is happening.
Ray Bungay
Reply to @Mark (Junkman) George: I had 2 tonight in this story, likely to be 3!
Mark (Junkman) George
Reply to @Cindy Fordyce: Not Exactly.
If you actually read the story it does not say anyplace that Horizon Health is short funded. Meaning the money for those 200 nurses exists within the operating budget, just that Horizon Health can't be bothered to hire them.
It then goes on to blame the government for ending a $7.3 Million a year contract with the universities in 2005 (14 years ago) that the universities did not deliver on. It does not tell us why charges were not laid for fraud.
All in all the story is carefully crafted to make the government look bad.
If you actually read the story it does not say anyplace that Horizon Health is short funded. Meaning the money for those 200 nurses exists within the operating budget, just that Horizon Health can't be bothered to hire them.
It then goes on to blame the government for ending a $7.3 Million a year contract with the universities in 2005 (14 years ago) that the universities did not deliver on. It does not tell us why charges were not laid for fraud.
All in all the story is carefully crafted to make the government look bad.
David Amos
Reply to @Mark (Junkman) George: "My turn for getting disabled David"
Methinks it par for the course when you strike a nerve with the "Powers That Be" N'esy Pas?
Methinks it par for the course when you strike a nerve with the "Powers That Be" N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Cindy Fordyce: Nope Go Figure https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fundy-royal-riding-profile-1.3274276
John
O'Brien
The biggest problem by far with both Vitalite and Horizon is that the majority of supervisory positions are filled with total incompetents. The management culture dictates that staff who are struggling- physically, mentally or emotionally - with their job will be promoted to a less demanding (???) supervisory position.So, instead of having supervisory and management positions filled by leaders, those positions are often filled with staff whose only qualification is that are unable to perform their normal duties.So , as a favor, they are given positions where they are "coddled". And the rot goes from the top all the way down,.
The biggest problem by far with both Vitalite and Horizon is that the majority of supervisory positions are filled with total incompetents. The management culture dictates that staff who are struggling- physically, mentally or emotionally - with their job will be promoted to a less demanding (???) supervisory position.So, instead of having supervisory and management positions filled by leaders, those positions are often filled with staff whose only qualification is that are unable to perform their normal duties.So , as a favor, they are given positions where they are "coddled". And the rot goes from the top all the way down,.
Jake Quinlan
Reply to @John
O'Brien: Interesting take, especially about lack of leaders in those
positions. You know that leaders generally speak their minds, can't
have any of that going on now. Those hiring these leaders may see them
as threats, upset the status quo.
Lou Bell
Maybe the
Universities will get their 8+ million back when they USE THE MONEY FOR
NURSE TRAINING LIKE THEY AGREED TO DO BUT DIDN'T !!!!
Fred Dee
geeeee...
the Horizon chair was appointed by the LIBERALS... any surprise that he
is complaining now? any shortage now has nothing to to with the current
government!!
A nurse is a guaranteed job, one of the few medical jobe that only takes 4 years!! The rest have increased to 7 or 8 years,,,, requiring a degree to apply.. with no pay increase!!
We need to double the class sizes... increase tuition by 25-50%, will be able to fill the seats!!
Look at UNB law... increased tuition by 50% for new students... still same number of applicants!!
A nurse is a guaranteed job, one of the few medical jobe that only takes 4 years!! The rest have increased to 7 or 8 years,,,, requiring a degree to apply.. with no pay increase!!
We need to double the class sizes... increase tuition by 25-50%, will be able to fill the seats!!
Look at UNB law... increased tuition by 50% for new students... still same number of applicants!!
David Amos
Reply to @Fred Dee: "the Horizon chair was appointed by the LIBERALS."
NOPE
NOPE
David Amos
Reply to @Fred Dee: "Look at UNB law... increased tuition by 50% for new students... still same number of applicants!!"
Methinks everybody knows the government can always use more lawyers to work as politicians and bureaucrats N'esy Pas?
Methinks everybody knows the government can always use more lawyers to work as politicians and bureaucrats N'esy Pas?
Miles Long
Too
many nurse managers and not enough bedside nurses. Start training
programs to upgrade LPNs to RNs/ Program to take BA and BScs in a short
program to become RNs. Whatever happened to the CEO of Horizon, seems
to have disappeared, maybe just media shy?
David Amos
Reply to @Miles Long: "Too many nurse managers and not enough bedside nurses"
YUP
YUP
Jake Quinlan
Reply to @Miles Long: Too many ineffective nurse managers?
June Arnott
These
politicians making the cuts don’t care because if any of their families
need medical attention they can purchase it elsewhere.
We are so screwed. Cancer is HUGE in NB and getting worse. But our elected officials have other plans
Methinks it High Time folks start asking WHY N'esy Pas?
Eric Plexe
We are so screwed. Cancer is HUGE in NB and getting worse. But our elected officials have other plans
Mark (Junkman) George
Reply to @June Arnott:
Not once, in the article, did Horizon Health claim they were short funded. In fact, government departments operate on a budget. They are assigned X number of dollars, to spend as they see fit, the claim is they can't hire anybody, not that they are short funded.
Not once, in the article, did Horizon Health claim they were short funded. In fact, government departments operate on a budget. They are assigned X number of dollars, to spend as they see fit, the claim is they can't hire anybody, not that they are short funded.
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @June Arnott: "We are so screwed. Cancer is HUGE in NB and getting worse" Methinks it High Time folks start asking WHY N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @June Arnott: WOW
Eric Plexe
Mr.
McGarry should address his concerns to Health Minister Ted Flemming who
appointed him chair of the Horizon Health Network board in January -
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/horizon-health-chair-john-mcgarry-ceo-1.4992788
We can all sit around and complain about the situation all we want but until somebody actually does something about it and starts thinking outside the metal, welded shut box, we are going to continue to deal with shortages and bed closures.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/horizon-health-chair-john-mcgarry-ceo-1.4992788
Mark (Junkman) George
Reply to @Eric Plexe:
Do you think? The Health Minister is not in charge of hiring anyone besides his office staff. What do you expect the Health Minister to do? Fire Mr McGarry?
Do you think? The Health Minister is not in charge of hiring anyone besides his office staff. What do you expect the Health Minister to do? Fire Mr McGarry?
David Amos
Reply to @Mark (Junkman) George: "Fire Mr McGarry?"
Methinks the Health Minister should resign immediately afterwards N'esy Pas?
Methinks the Health Minister should resign immediately afterwards N'esy Pas?
Kathleen McGuire
Why
do we feel that nurses need a four year university program to be
qualified? For many years, Saint John had the very highly respected and
highly regarded Saint John School of Nursing - a very well regarded 2
year program that turned out exceptional nurses with exceptional skills -
at a much faster rate. Why was that program eliminated? Money grab by
the universities perhaps? I say bring it back - immediately. We can all sit around and complain about the situation all we want but until somebody actually does something about it and starts thinking outside the metal, welded shut box, we are going to continue to deal with shortages and bed closures.
Reply to @Kathleen McGuire:
my daughter became a nurse shortly after that change and felt like she spent a lot of empty time learning little.
what do other jurisdictions do?
my daughter became a nurse shortly after that change and felt like she spent a lot of empty time learning little.
what do other jurisdictions do?
David Amos
Reply to @Kathleen
McGuire: Why was that program eliminated? Money grab by the universities
perhaps? I say bring it back - immediately.
I agree
I agree
Jake Quinlan
Reply to @Kathleen
McGuire: I think a lot of professions are doing this...upgrading the
entry level degree to practice. Not sure what the driving force is
but money probably plays some role.
Ray Bungay
Nurses
are over worked but no one is listening. Thank you John McGarry, the
chair of Horizon Health Network's board, for speaking out! Not easy I m
sure!
Roy Kirk
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/horizon-health-chair-john-mcgarry-ceo-1.4992788
Reply to @Ray Bungay: If it's not easy for the boss to speak out, imagine how difficult it is for the staff!
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Roy Kirk:
Methinks many would agree that McGarry is just playing the game just
like he was reappointed to do N'esy Pas? https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/horizon-health-chair-john-mcgarry-ceo-1.4992788
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: Methinks everybody knows somebody else posted it anyway N'esy Pas?
Ray Bungay
Not allowed to speak the truth here anymore??
David Amos
Reply to @Ray Bungay: Never were
Stanley
Kerr
Because
nursing is mostly female occupation even though more men are coming on
board Hospitals face far different challenges...I know of 1 female
nursing graduate that just wants to get on full time for the benefits
then immediately get pregnant so she can take a year off...Now that
helps that hospital immensely does it not....The dedication is not there
with recent graduates and the public is paying for it dearly.
David Amos
Reply to @Stanley
Kerr: Methinks many nurse get their education here then go south of the
49th for better wages etc N'esy Pas?
Matt Steele
Sounds
like the Province is having the same problem in recruiting Nurses as
they have had in recruiting Substitute Teachers . Some School districts
have reduced the qualifications of a Substitute teacher down to having a
High School Diploma , and then being given a local permit to teach . If
the Province wants qualified professional staff , then they need to
start giving more pay , benefits and seniority to their casual Nurses
and Teachers ; and do away with nepotism in the hiring process .
Roland
Godin
Reply to @Matt Steele:
Maybe, a basic 101 entry level course in personnel selection would help voters in choosing somehow qualified and competent legislators when scribbling their preferred colour paint by number politicians...et voilà.
Maybe, a basic 101 entry level course in personnel selection would help voters in choosing somehow qualified and competent legislators when scribbling their preferred colour paint by number politicians...et voilà.
David Amos
Reply to @Matt Steele: Methinks nobody cares when apathy rules the day N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Roland
Godin: Methinks it would be a major faux pas for an unethical government
to teach people to think before they vote N'esy Pas?
Val Harris
Well
imagine we have a urgent need for more nurses. Higgs doesn’t want to
spend any money and ole Austin is happy with one licence plate. Lou
bell what do you think one plate is better then more nurses no wait
let’s put mvi stickers on cars every ten years. We could save 350 bucks
David Amos
Reply to @val harris: Welcome to the Circus
David Webb NB
$2
million per day just to pay interest on the debt. Thank you to all of
our governments the last 50 years, and the voters that think that was no
problem. So is it time to pay the piper, or, dig the hole even deeper?
David Amos
Reply to @David Webb: "or, dig the hole even deeper?"
Methinks the political parties and their bankster buddies want folks to believe Keynesian economics. Perhaps more folks should throw their hat in the ring as Independents and speak their minds from the soap box. Maybe a few of them would win next time like the tag team of Jane and Jody quite likely will N'esy Pas
Methinks the political parties and their bankster buddies want folks to believe Keynesian economics. Perhaps more folks should throw their hat in the ring as Independents and speak their minds from the soap box. Maybe a few of them would win next time like the tag team of Jane and Jody quite likely will N'esy Pas
Colin Seeley
Fire fighters and police don’t seem to have any problems hiring people.
Nurses are just as important.
Treat them the same ways.
Nurses are just as important.
Treat them the same ways.
Roy Kirk
Reply to @Colin Seeley: Firefighters and policemen don't have to work with doctors. ;-)
David Amos
Reply to @Roy Kirk: True
Colin Seeley
Reply to @Roy Kirk:
Good one.
Also Doctors give orders and most Doctors don’t like saying “ yes dear “.
Just like home some nurses want to wear the pants.
Hard to work with that (:
Good one.
Also Doctors give orders and most Doctors don’t like saying “ yes dear “.
Just like home some nurses want to wear the pants.
Hard to work with that (:
Albert Wade
Let's get on with the bankruptcy!
David White
Reply to @Albert Wade:
Iceland & NewZealand went bankrupt and they are doing a lot better.
Sadly, they won't let NB go bankrupt...they will just keep throwing money at you, just enough to stay afloat and rack up more interest for them.
Iceland & NewZealand went bankrupt and they are doing a lot better.
Sadly, they won't let NB go bankrupt...they will just keep throwing money at you, just enough to stay afloat and rack up more interest for them.
Roland Godin
Reply to @David White:
Problem solving basic political ego-nomics 101, throw money at it and hope it goes away...et voilà.
Problem solving basic political ego-nomics 101, throw money at it and hope it goes away...et voilà.
David Amos
Reply to @Roland Godin: Methinks plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose N'esy Pas?
Greg
Miller
This not good and as
much as I like the Higgs Government so far this is an issue which has
grown worse since I returned to the Maritimes in 2004. I don't care
about creating new positions--creating new positions doesn't mean a darn
thing when you can't even fill existing positions. Cut back on other
civil service position and get more nurses on site -- and expect them to
work!
Greg
Miller
Reply to @Greg
Miller: P.S. If language is a barrier then have the issue waived--we're
talking about lives here -- refer to recent new articles.
David Amos
Reply to @Greg Miller: Cry me a river
Cleve Gallant
I remember that slogan on our license plates “be in this place” and no one ever answered my question “why “ ?
David Amos
Reply to @Cleve Gallant: Methinks Mr Higgs and his liberal cohorts know why I love being in this place N'esy Pas?
cheryl
wright
for starters we need
to remove the language constraint please please please know this is a
hinderance of getting new people in these positions and into this
province. 2nd. when you are considered casual ( even though you are
working full time hours + ) you aren't eligible for benefits, you cant
get loans and mortgages etc as you are listed as casual. people are
leaving the nursing field to go into other companies completely away
from their training because they cant get benefits!!! this is
...
Graeme Scott
Reply to @cheryl
wright: I agree, full time positions with benefits (along with better
working conditions) would do much to attract RN's.
Roland
Godin
Reply to @cheryl wright:
Language constraint- Such as very qualified and competent immigrants being able to be hired and work in their language, et pourquoi pas...et voilà.
Language constraint- Such as very qualified and competent immigrants being able to be hired and work in their language, et pourquoi pas...et voilà.
Graeme Scott
Reply to @Roland
Godin: Assuming they can function effectively in one of the two official
languages, there should be a faster and more efficient way to assess
and approve foreign medical credentials. The same applies to MD's
David Amos
Reply to @cheryl wright: "for starters we need to remove the language constraint"
YUP
YUP
David Amos
Reply to @Roland Godin: Methinks you jest just enough N'esy Pas?
Graeme Scott
If UNB and UdeM can't
or won't do the job certify NBCC as a degree granting polytechnic
university and start with a BSc (N) as their first program
David Amos
Reply to @Graeme Scott: Good point
Stanley
Kerr
Nursing is mostly a
female profession and shortages and surpluses go up and down on a yearly
basis right across Canada as female nurses take maternity leave ..This
now can be seen happening in policing across the country as more and
more females become police officers...If you load the colleges up one
year chances are you will have surplus in a few years and a lot will be
complaining about no jobs being available...As one Hospital
administrator told me there is no easy answer for this ….For anyone that can predict staffing surpluses or shortages I am sure that person will be sought after right across Canada.
Ian Scott
Reply to @Stanley
Kerr: Said this before then got attacked lol. It is to some extent an
issue along with the casual/ full time thing. Some take casual though as
pay is higher and can decline work schedules without grief from others.
Whole thing needs a careful look at. Union just scaremongering again
with its 5000 missing unless can back that up. Still a major issue when
beds have to close. Similar to OR /ER problems.
Miles Long
Reply to @Ian Scott: Yes the 5000 figure is nonsense.
David Amos
Reply to @Miles Long: YUP
James Smith
Brace yourselves, by
the time many of us have reached retirement age, there won't even be any
such thing as CPP. The government will be forced to squander that as
well in order to appoint themselves raises, as there will be nothing
left in the coffers of health care and education to cut further.
David Webb NB
Reply to @Greg Smith:
You realize the CPP is federal, not provincial. But then again federal
have the same over spending issues. I am gobsmacked that people accept
any deficit financing from governments. Now the hole is so deep we
will never get out of it.
David Amos
Reply to @Greg Smith: Methinks everybody knows why I was denied my CPP until I sued the Crown N'esy Pas?
Harold
Benson
Universities did not use the money given them to train nurses, why?
David Amos
Reply to @Harold
Benson: Methinks nursing is not in the same league as rocket science or
economics or software engineering etc Those trades are more important
these days since the Yankees declared war on the eastern world in 2001
N'esy Pas?
Roy Kirk
A shortage can have
many causes. How long are nurses staying in their careers?, and why are
they leaving them? Perhaps employers have a role to play by treating
their employees better? Are students entering the programs screened
based on aptitude and likelihood of making a long-term commitment to
practice?, or is it 1st come, 1st seated based on HS grades? How many
nursing graduates are more interested in career progression to hospital
management?, and can we select to limit those numbers?
Perhaps govt funding to university nursing programs should be partly based on how many of their program graduates are in active practice in NB 5, 10, 15, & 20 years after graduation. That'd give universities an incentive to screen their intake more carefully in the interest of long term service in the profession.
Perhaps govt funding to university nursing programs should be partly based on how many of their program graduates are in active practice in NB 5, 10, 15, & 20 years after graduation. That'd give universities an incentive to screen their intake more carefully in the interest of long term service in the profession.
SarahRose
Werner
Reply to @Roy Kirk:
Why are nurses leaving their careers? One cause: nurses being attacked -
not only verbally but also physically - by patients and patient's
families. Who wants a job in which every time you go to work, there's a
risk of being assaulted? I'd leave too.
Oscar Acosta
Reply to @SarahRose
Werner: Not to mention mandatory overtime (into unsafe, uninsured
hours), the lack of proper equipment, and this absurd expectation that
nurses should have an "I just want to help people" attitude instead of a
"I am here to do my job for the length of my shift" attitude that the
rest of us hourly employees can take.
David Amos
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: "Why are nurses leaving their careers?"
Methinks a lot of them like my sister are just getting old and retiring N'esy Pas?
Methinks a lot of them like my sister are just getting old and retiring N'esy Pas?
Jake
Quinlan
The wheels on the bus
go round and round.......long term problems are not solved by
governments who run on 4 years (or less ) cycles. It's funny to
see all the problems predicted 20-25 years ago manifest. There is no
blind-siding going on here. Frank, Bernard, Shawn, Dave and whoever
else, any comments?? Where are you guys hanging out these days?
David Amos
Reply to @Jake
Quinlan: Methinks everybody knows why I have being hanging around a lot
courtrooms on both sides of the 49th arguing legions of government
lawyers since 2001 N'esy Pas?
Heather
Michon
Higgs and the
Conservatives couldn't care less about the people of New Brunswick. He's
made that abundantly clear with the cuts he's made to education, health
care and social services. He has gone to court twice to take away the
nursing home workers' right to strike for better wages and working
conditions while ignoring the crisis in long term care. He recently went
to court again to stop newspapers from publishing the truth about NB
power's real carbon monoxide emissions. He has approved fracking again
without consulting the people who live on the land. It's pretty clear
that he cares only about his buddies at NB power and Irving. Keep them
uneducated, unhealthy and uninformed. That should be the Conservatives
party slogan.
Ian Scott
Reply to @Heather
Michon: NB Power is a private crown corp. Illegally obtained info cannot
be published short of a lawsuit. Gleaner knows that.How would you like
your data published if someone steals it.
You have to undo a moratorium before you can advance on any further discussion on it. Chicken before egg. And its CO2 not CO.
You have to undo a moratorium before you can advance on any further discussion on it. Chicken before egg. And its CO2 not CO.
David Amos
Reply to @Ian Scott: "NB Power is a private crown corp"
Methinks you should come to the EUB hearings and argue me about NB Power on the in public record N'esy Pas?
Methinks you should come to the EUB hearings and argue me about NB Power on the in public record N'esy Pas?
dave ess
I don't think it's
right to say that the NB government isn't doing anything. It's cutting
and slashing all over the place except for politician's wages, their
pensions, and the Irving money funnel.
David Amos
Reply to @dave ess: True
Neil MacLean
Mr Higgs is a fiscal
Conservative, no doubt. And in the Federal Leadership he supported
Bernier who is a Libertarian - not really believing in the social
functions of government such as medicare. So you have to wonder what
significance Mr Higgs really attaches to staff shortages in hospitals.
Better to give the folks he used to work for a continuing tax holiday?
David Amos
Reply to @Alexander
Forbes: Methinks its not wise to paint yourself in a corner with the
likes of Mr Higgs and Mr Bernier N'esy Pas?
Pierre Cyr
Would seem the govs
solution is to keep on cutting wages about 1% a year against inflation
for the foreseeable future. Doing that in both hospitals and nursing
homes...
Neil MacLean
Reply to @Pierre Cyr:
Doesn't sound like the Pierre Cyr who once ran against Dominic Cardy
for the provincial NDP leadership - have times changed that incredibly?
Heather
Michon
Reply to @Pierre Cyr:
I agree. Higgs has tried to get the nursing home workers declared an
essential service but won't pay them what an essential worker is worth.
What would he want to get paid to change an adult's diaper and be
exposed to physical violence? A lot more than 10 cents an hour I'm sure.
He's more interested in sucking what he can out of this province to
help his big business buddies
William Henry
Reply to @Heather
Michon: My heavens, we hear you. Get off your soapbox. We understand
that your group of NH workers didn’t win your fight and your sour. Time
to move on or get out.
Pierre Cyr
Reply to @Neil MacLean: Not the same Pierre Cyr.
David Amos
Reply to @William Henry: Methinks the lady doth protest too much N'esy Pas?
Neil MacLean
Reply to @Pierre Cyr: Thank you sir for the clarification.
Donald Smith
Way to go New Brunswick, the land that time forgot
Marguerite
Deschamps
Reply to @Donald Smith: any suggestion on how to fix this problem?
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: Methinks all we need is an ethical Health Minister rather
that just another political lawyer N'esy Pas?
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