Thursday 8 October 2020

Disability advocates applaud federal pandemic aid, but say payment should be higher




Replying to   @alllibertynews and 49 others 
Methinks the politicians who manipulate our Nanny State for their benefit must know they will never be capable of pacifying the chronic crybabies who elect them N'esy Pas? 
 
 

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/disability-advocates-applaud-federal-aid-1.5752671


Disability advocates applaud federal pandemic aid, but say payment should be higher

A one time payment of up to $600 will be sent to those who are eligible, at the end of October

 

Kate Letterick · CBC News · Posted: Oct 07, 2020 7:00 AM AT

 

Murielle Pitre is the director of communications for the New Brunswick Coalition of Persons with Disabilities. She says the pandemic has brought extra costs for some disabled people. (Kate Letterick/CBC News )

As a disabled person, Murielle Pitre has dealt with extra costs throughout the COVID-19 pandemic.

"You have like increased fees, deliveries and deliveries for food, the price of food is going up. I mean you're not going out so you can't seek out the bargains as much as you used to," she said.

Pitre is also the director of communications for the New Brunswick Coalition of People with Disabilities.

She's heard from many people who are paying more for everything from transportation to personal care.

"I believe some had to hire maybe privately. You don't want people who go to 5 houses coming to your house if you have an immune disorder so it hasn't been easy for those people," Pitre said.

On Oct. 30, people with disabilities will receive a onetime payment of up to $600 from the federal government to help with the extra expenses. It was first announced back in June.

Accessible Canada tweeted out this announcement about the payment for people with disabilities. (Accessible Canada/Twitter)

The money is available to people who have an existing valid Disability Tax Credit certificate, those receiving Canada Pension Disability or Quebec Disability Pension benefits or those receiving disability support from Veterans Affairs Canada.

According to the federal government, some seniors may be eligible and parents of children with disabilities will receive a one-time payment. In total about 1.6 million people are eligible.

Pitre said that will help, but she'd like to see more money made available.

Randy Dickinson said it's regrettable it's taken this long for disabled people to receive what he calls "a rather modest one time payment".

Dickinson is the chairperson of the Premier's Council on Disabilities.

"It's frustrating that some of the most vulnerable and most needy Canadians are the last in line and also waiting months to get their support when other emergency payments were released within a matter of weeks after the pandemic started," Dickinson said.

Dickinson said the pandemic has created a number of financial difficulties for people with disabilities.

Randy Dickinson chairs the Premier's Council on Disabilities and says while he's glad the federal government has recognized the need for financial help during the pandemic, it should have been sent out sooner. (Submitted/Randy Dickinson)

"Maybe they've been struggling to pay the rent or pay bills for their hydro or what have you because of the ongoing difficulties of living with a low income, exacerbated by extra expenses that the pandemic has generated for the people who are least able to afford it," he said.

Dickinson said he's glad the federal government recognized the need for financial help, but he wishes the money had been sent out earlier.

He said the government should have considered more than one payment for people with disabilities, over a period of time, especially if the pandemic persists.

Murielle Pitre says people will have to decide how to spend the federal money, whether it's paying existing bills or stocking up on supplies in case COVID-19 cases start to rise again in this region.

"For me, I'm thinking of buying a small freezer so I can have more food available if I can't go out for a while," Pitre said.

 



96 Comments
Commenting is now closed for this story. 
 
 
 
 
  
David Amos
Content disabled
Good Night Mr Tibbs 

 
 
 
 
 
 
Brad Gagner
This entire county has gone to hell... And getting worse by the day.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Brad Gagner: Methinks the politicians who manipulate our Nanny State for their benefit must know they will never be capable of pacifying the chronic crybabies who elect them N'esy Pas?
 
 
Harvey York
Reply to @David Amos: so says the undisputed king of crybabies
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Brad Gagner: Methinks anyone with half clue should figure what happened today N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
David Amos
Welcome to the circus

 
Lou Bell
Reply to @David Amos: And again as usual , same old , same old from Dave . Barnum and Bailey floded shop four years ago . Time to let go if possible !
 
 
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Lou Bell: Methinks you should have took your nap N'esy Pas? 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
David Amos
Methinks greed in Fat Fred City knows no bounds N'esy Pas?
 
 
Robert Boudreau
Reply to @David Amos: You keep on saying "N'esy Pas" - it's "N'est pas" in French!
 
 
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Robert Boudreau: What is it in Chiac?
 
 
Harvey York
Reply to @Robert Boudreau: ignore him, he believes himself to be clever, while it's quite the contrary
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Michael G. L. Geraldson
Meanwhile, the 17 year old next door who lost his job flipping hamburgers collected $12,000 in CERB benefits after paying almost no taxes. There's something wrong with that picture!
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Michael G. L. Geraldson: No kidding
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Tim Trites
what an absurd article...not one clearly specified example of an increased expense due to corona
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Tim Trites: I concur
 
 
Dan Lee
Reply to @Tim Trites:
il give you one.......im a diabetic...stroke victim.....heart attack victim and plenty more illnesses...when prescriptions dropped to 30 days at a time and ilive 40 kms from drugstore this had triple my trips to get medicine.....do you think my expenses went up??
 
 
Tim Trites
Reply to @Dan Lee:
i didn't say there weren't any...i said the article didn't give any...don't bring a sandwich to a gunfight
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Tim Trites: Well put 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
JOhn D Bond
One has to shake their head and the avalanche of groups/causes coming out claiming they were or are hard done by more than others and need more.
Large swaths of the population have not and likely will not receive any additional $ from the government nor do they necessarily need any.
CERB was supposed to replace up to a % of income people lost when their hours were cut or they lost their job. Leaving the amounts and qualifications aside, it delivered much needed support for those that it was intended to address.
On the other side of the equation, there are those that are on pensions, both public and private, disability pensions, and a myriad of pre existing government social safety nets.
For the most part these folks did not receive meaningful amounts of $ from the government.
Nor should they, both sides of the equation encountered increased costs of living across the board and a myriad of subtle changes that make things more difficult. That in and of itself does not warrant increased funding/subsidies for these groups. 
 
 
Irv Millar
Reply to @JOhn D Bond: When society reaches a point in which the elderly or those that are not as able bodied are to be seen as a burden, not worthy of care or consideration or love, we are fast approaching a nadir or are already wrapped within this careless vacuum?
 
 
JOhn D Bond
Reply to @Irv Millar: Irv in no way am I saying they are a burden. Rather I am pointing out that this article only addresses a small portion of the population. It ignores the senior/ retired population on pensions that essentially haven't gotten anything . Why ? Because their incomes were not affected by the pandemic. For many with disabilities they are in the same boat. Governments need to stop playing favourites and deal with the bigger issues across the board.
 
 
Cheryl MacLeod
Reply to @JOhn D Bond: There are many working disabled people who lost jobs like everyone else but still have to pay for extra services needed.
 
 
Irv Millar
Reply to @Cheryl MacLeod: Thank you.
 
 
JOhn D Bond
Reply to @Cheryl MacLeod: I completely understand Cheryl but how are they different than the non disabled that also lost their jobs and got CERB and had prices increase on them for things. That is my point, the folks you are talking about have been impacted by the same issues that these people have.
 
 
David Amos 
Content disabled
Reply to @JOhn D Bond: Methinks you should ask yourself why I shake my head as I read your words N'esy Pas?
 
 
Cheryl MacLeod
Reply to @JOhn D Bond: Not true and I speak as a parent and daughter of disabled family members. The pandemic meant the loss of many care and therapy programs and social services that were replaced through out of pocket costs of the person and their families - and even still the world is less accessible right now for many people who are disabled. I appreciate these is an unseen aspect of disabilities, but the costs are real and without these supports, a disabled person can deteriorate very quickly. It can shorten a person's life. The weight of these issues cannot be explained simply here, but you cannot know this stuff well by reading about it. You have to live it.
 
 
JOhn D Bond
Reply to @Cheryl MacLeod: Cheryl, thanks for the clarification and I certainly empathize with you on those issues. My point should not be applicable to folks in your situation. There were pre pandemic services we can call the social safety net in place providing you with the requisite supports. If these services have been impacted by the government shut downs or other safety related aspects, it is on the Government to keep those services up and running as they were in the past.
My issue, maybe it is just me or the way I am reading the articles is that there has been a hue and cry across the land for groups saying they have been disenfranchised more than others, due to covid-19. In general folks that need assistance should get it, but it should be on the basis of all things being equal. So if a person that was working was either able bodied or disabled, the CERB would have been appropriate as a wage replacement. If either person had additional supports while they were working, they should still get those supports irrespective. But if they didn't have any additional supports and were reliant on their income from employment, that is where I have an issue. Hope that makes sense.
 
 
Cheryl MacLeod
Reply to @JOhn D Bond: It does make sense, I do understand. But, I don't think that is is widely the situation for most people considered in the benefit. Much can be said on this topic, but it is worth noting, that as with most government offerings, access is not always what it seems. The payout - $600 is rather small spread over 7 months and in the case of seniors, they are only receiving $300 or $100 depending on past Covid benefits. This is really aimed at the working disabled and parents of disabled children and trust me, their costs are are real.
 
 
JOhn D Bond
Reply to @Cheryl MacLeod: I fully appreciate that and that is required and should have been done automatically. The tenor of these articles tend to focus on the " I need more money" issue and do not delineate the why, rather on appearance it appears to be Need more money because I am disabled or a senior or..... that is the issue. Everyone is trying to do more with less and for the vast majority they are all in the same boat. For some as you clarified it is not a new need, it was a support that was impacted by the government actions that they need to correct. Personally giving more $ is not the right approach, they should be finding a way to make the supports work but in the short term the additional funds would help defray some of the government imposed increased costs.
 
 
Cheryl MacLeod
Reply to @JOhn D Bond: I agree with the intent of your comments however, it is a complex issue. Added pandemic costs are are as diverse as the disability and distilling such information to a level of common understanding is impossible in a news article or comment section. Everyone's situation is unique. Having a disabilitiy reduces one's flexibility and capacity for discovering new approaches. An aside; this is a group that is forever jumping through hoops to justify status and needs. You can't know what it's like until you do, despite everyone's best opinion on what it is to be disabled.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @JOhn D Bond: Yawn 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Greg Miller
Payment on October 30th--Hmm! They have really stretched this out and made sure that the disabled are treated after everyone else. I guess the Feds feels the disabled have absolutely no impact in the workforce.
 
 
Cheryl MacLeod
Reply to @Greg Miller: I suspect they saw disabled folk able to access some of the other benefits, so not completely ignored. This is to help with costs associated with their disability.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Greg Miller: No more than many of old folks do (Including Me Too )
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Theresa Mac Leod
I agree with the article. Individuals living with disabilities have faced increased costs and are among the most vulnerable members of our society. They have encountered delivery fees, increased personal care worker costs, PPE costs, increased transportation costs, higher food and necessities costs the list goes on... Every other segment of society, from Seniors to Students, has had government assistance but this vulnerable pop has had to wait until October 30th
 
 
Irv Miller
Reply to @Theresa Mac Leod: Nice to hear.
 
 
JOhn D Bond
Reply to @Theresa Mac Leod: Curious Theresa what assistance did seniors get that those with disabilities didn't get? Also to clarify there is a difference when someone with a disability is working, therefore would have qualified for CERB and those that are either retired and on a disability pension or those that receive social assistance due to the disability but are neither working nor on a pension.
 
 
Michael G. L. Geraldson
Reply to @Theresa Mac Leod:
The paltry $300 I received as a senior was appreciated but disappointing and came nowhere near covering my extra expenses.
 
 
Cheryl MacLeod
Reply to @Michael G. L. Geraldson: Most people have lost income due to the pandemic. And in the case of ďisabled folk, this payment, 7 months into the shutdown, won't fully cover their costs either.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Theresa Mac Leod: Obviously I do not agree with you
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Michael G. L. Geraldson: I received the same as you and was happy to get it without asking for it or complaining about it or whining for More More More
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @David Amos:
Bottom line: if you don't want the money for nothing, or feel insulted by money for nothing, send it back, or give it to a charity.
I'm not too proud to pick up even a nickle in a grocery store parking lot and you won't hear me complain about it.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Irv Miller 
Thank you for speaking up for those that have been forgotten in these tax dollar feeding frenzy daze.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Irv Millar: Surely you jest
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Sarah Brown
It is safe to say that everyone’s expenses have gone up due to this pandemic...that is just life.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Sarah Brown: Yup
 
 
Lewis Hamilton
Reply to @Sarah Brown: I don't think it is safe to say that. My expenses have gone down because I'm working from home and don't have commuting costs, I'm not eating out for lunch and I'm not spending as much on entertainment. Not everyone has been impacted the same. That $600 would have zero impact on my quality of life but could make a major difference for someone who is struggling to get by.
 
 
Sarah Brown
Reply to @Lewis Hamilton: Then you’re one of the lucky few. I’ll stand corrected.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Sammy Kofax
We are all suffering....lucky you got what you got. Stop the greed cycle.
 
 
Sarah Brown
Reply to @Sammy Kofax: True..this has affected each and every one of us, but there is absolutely no reason to be so rude.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Sarah Brown: Methinks it ok to be angry After all its a human emotion just like love is N'esy Pas?
 
 
Sammy Kofax
Reply to @Sarah Brown: I'm not being rude, just truthful, I didn't say people don't deserve something, but we have to have better solutions than just throwing money out every time someone yells give me more.
 
 
Sarah Brown
Reply to @David Amos: No, its called a sensor of entitlement.
 
 
Sarah Brown
Reply to @Sammy Kofax: There’s always a way to say something without being rude. You did not demonstrate that.
 
 
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Sarah Brown: Define "sensor of entitlement" and what is rude to you?.
 
 
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Sarah Brown: Methinks everybody knows that you really mean that the censors think they are entitled to edit the comments in order to make the narrative benefit their paymaster's agenda N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Mark Van Laren
Payment should always higher. More and more and more. Just be thankful you got something.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Mark Van Laren: I concur
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Uganda Rice
Our government should have given payments to every single citizen the way President Donald Trump did in the USA. Every single person has been affected by the response to this virus and the restrictions on our lives, increased grocery costs etc. It seems that our government is helping some select people, but leaving out a waste swathe of the population. The USA had the right approach here.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Uganda Rice: Methinks you should check Trump's work lately N'esy Pas?
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: 18 hours ago Yahoo said:

"Stocks fell Tuesday after President Donald Trump said he opposed House Democrats’ $2.2 trillion virus relief proposal, effectively stamping out hopes that another round of fiscal stimulus to aid the virus-stricken economy would come before the election
“We made a very generous offer of $1.6 Trillion Dollars and, as usual, she is not negotiating in good faith,” Trump wrote in a Twitter post Tuesday afternoon. “I am rejecting their.. ... request, and looking to the future of our Country. I have instructed my representatives to stop negotiating until after the election when, immediately after I win, we will pass a major Stimulus Bill that focuses on hardworking Americans and Small Business.”
 
 
Uganda Rice
Reply to @David Amos: Back in the spring when people were first dealing with the costs of this pandemic, every single American received funding which made sense since every single American was dealing with the pandemic.
 
 
Lewis Hamilton
Reply to @Uganda Rice: The pandemic has not impacted everyone equally. Those who have lost their jobs and/or were struggling on low income have been hit the hardest. Those are the people who should be receiving the help., not the people who kept their six figure jobs. And I say that as one of those people lucky enough to have kept their six figure job throughout this. My expenses have gone down because I'm working from home and not spending money on gas to commute, eating out for lunch and other entertainment expenses. I, and people in a similar position as me, do not need a government handout. The money should go to those who are most in need.
 
 
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Lewis Hamilton: Methinks it has already made all taxpayers worldwide suffer for quite sometime into the foreseeable future Even the unborn N'esy Pas?
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Uganda Rice: So you say
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Peter Churcher
As a special needs advocate I do not applaud the gross negligence that the federal government has exhibited in helping people with disabilities. This was first tabled as part of larger bill earlier in the year in which these folks were made pawns in the political game being played by the Liberals. They could have sent the money out to all those people who have a disability tax credit on file with CRA in a fraction of the time.
 
 
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Peter Churcher: Methinks you should say hey to the minions within the CRA for me and in return I will say Hey to Minister Diane Lebouthillier again N'esy Pas?
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: BINGO
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Brian Robertson
Canadians were once a strong and self reliant people.
But a half century or more of Liberal socialism has turned them into needy dependent hand-out beggars that never seem to get enough.
 
 
Michael durant
Reply to @Brian Robertson:
be thankful you were not made a paraplegic.
 
 
Dan Short
Reply to @Michael durant:
There's only empathy for race and gender issies in Canada.
 
  
Dan Short
Reply to @Michael durant:
I can assure that every day I am grateful for all that I have, despite being blind.
 
 
Dan Short
Reply to @Brian Robertson:  
Are you single. If so how do you grocery shop without help. Honest question.
 
 
Dan Short
Reply to @Dan Short:
Grocery shopping is one of those things thst has become more expensive since the pandemic. Blind people hire people to grocery shop for them. Normally, people make mistakes, but those mistaken things bought can be returned, however since the pandemic grocery stores do not take returns. Do the blind oerson is stuck with product they didn't want more sometimes can't even eat.

Just one example of the added impact and costs of COVID,
 
 
 
Reply to @Dan Short:
The honest answer is I am married, and have been for 49 years.
My wife does all the shopping now, in the age of Covid.
Prior to that, I would go along as well to help lifting heavy items.
 
 
 
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Brian Robertson: Methinks you have picked up a fan N'esy Pas?
 
 
Dan Short
Reply to @Brian Robertson:
Not everyone has a spouse.

I don't consider those thst May need an extra hand or help because they don't
T have a spouse, needy or looking for handouts,
 
 
Dan Short
Reply to @Brian Robertson:
Not everyone has a spouse,

Many people need to pay to get their groceries and other essential tasks done,
 
 
Dan Short
Reply to @Brian Robertson:
Try adding another twenty or thirty dollars a week to your grocery bill for the simple luxury of needing something to eat. Hardly needy,
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Brian Robertson: I Wholeheartedly Agree
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Terry Tibbs
I will happily accept (and issue a hand written thank you note) anyone's money for nothing.
 
 
Dan Short
Reply to @Terry Tibbs:
Try writing thst hand written note without hands. Good luck with that..
 
 
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks Danny Boy don't like you too
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Dan Short:
It still doesn't change the fact that free money is free money, and complaining about getting free money is about as ignorant as it gets.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Too Too Funny that my words went "Poof"
 
 
Dan Short
Reply to @Terry Tibbs:
It isn't free money if it never shows up. Been six months.
Meanwhile work part time or run a business and the cash has been flowing in through programs to the workers or the owners for months.

Plus ya know, one should try having to pay somebody by the hour to get their groceries for them before they complain about what others may get,
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Dan Short:
It took 4 months for the old folks to get their $300, that's 4 months from first promise of cash to it actually showing up in one's bank account, don't you worry, it will come.
I have noted a very disturbing trend on these forums since the NB election was called. Perhaps it existed before and I just didn't notice.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Dan Short
There's a great deal of hate, animosity and lack of understanding towards people with disabilities.

It's rather sickening,
 
 
Brian Robertson
Reply to @Dan Short:
I think you are seeing what you want to see.
The Democrats have been playing that game for four years now.
 
 
James Edward
Reply to @Dan Short: Just because you feel like it's hateful (subjective) doesn't make it so.
 
 
Dan Short
Reply to @Brian Robertson:
You are the one who said needy, dependent, handout.
 
 
Dan Short
Reply to @Brian Robertson:

Brian Robertson
2 hours ago
Canadians were once a strong and self reliant people.
But a half century or more of Liberal socialism has turned them into needy dependent hand-out beggars that never seem to get enough.
 
 
Bob Smith
Reply to @Dan Short: There are some misguided folks who equate disabled people with people on welfare...they think the disabled are a drain on society and choose to sit around collecting government money rather than contribute. I'm on LTD and have seen this for some time. It's sad to see gov't move with great speed to keep doling out CERB many times over and the disabled treated as an afterthought.
 
 
Dan Short
Reply to @Bob Smith:
Misguidedz. Hardly. Hatred. Yes,
 
 
David Amos 
Content disabled
Reply to @Dan Short: Who thrives on the hatred if not you and your fellow tr o lls?
 
 
David Amos 
Content disabled
Reply to @Brian Robertson: Methinks many folks would agree that Danny Boy is worse than than the average Democrat N'esy Pas?
 
 
David Amos 
Reply to @James Edward: Oh So True
 
 
David Amos 
Content disabled
Reply to @Bob Smith: Methinks there is no pacifying tr o lls they thrive on the fact you wish to dispute them N'esy Pas?
 
 
Brian Robertson
Reply to @Dan Short:
You are a truly confused person.
What has one statement got to do with the other?
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Brian Robertson: I concur
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Michael durant
nothing from the provincial government for New Brunswick residents living with disabilities receiving CPP disability which for many pays less than provincial welfare absolutely nothing. That says a lot right there.
 
 
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Michael durant: Methinks I should ask Higgy et ll to explain you comment to me N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Dan Short
Why does acabac allow these attacks on people with disabilities?
 
 
JOhn D Bond
Reply to @Dan Short: Don't believe it is an attack on these folks. But rather a lack of clarification on in the article on the issue. Folks with disabilities that were receiving a variety of supports pre covid-19 should still be getting the supports. These articles tend not to articulate that, so the reader has no idea what and why additional funds are needed.
It is not unreasonable for people to question where the government is spending $ but a complete explanation in articles that identify it is to make up for services that were lost or not accessible during covid-19 would have been much more effective.
 
 
Dan Short
Reply to @JOhn D Bond:
Ow please.

Go back and read the posts on the election and issues of people with disabilities. How they should just suck it up and mail in a ballot.

It's an ongoing issue on these forums, they can't attack other protected groups, so they let it out against disabled because nobody is stopping them.
 
 
Dan Short
Reply to @JOhn D Bond:
Considering the group of people msking the negative comments post all day long, it could be questioned who is the actual drain on society resources...
 
 
David Amos 
Content disabled
Reply to @JOhn D Bond: Methinks many would agree that you two should get a room N'esy Pas?
 
 
JOhn D Bond
Reply to @Dan Short: Wow just a little but of projecting Dan. Good luck with that. I have seen and read your posts when you have an issue and lets just say, there are more effective ways to communicate displeasure with things. So now something you have a strong opinion on and you complain. Fly and be free we all are entitled to our opinions regardless if others like or dislike the,

 
Dan Short
Reply to @JOhn D Bond:
It's a semi anonymous message board. I'm not interested in discussion on such or trying to get honey from words. I'm expressing my view. I don't care who agrees or doesn't.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @JOhn D Bond: Oh My MY
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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