Thursday 22 October 2020

Mayors blast 'terrible' rural ambulance response times

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Methinks Madame Shephard must know by now that the Medavie officials should be regretting their minions threatening litigation against me today N'esy Pas? 
 
 
 
 
 

 

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Mayors blast 'terrible' rural ambulance response times

Auditor general report shows poor rural response times masked by urban data

 

Jacques Poitras · CBC News · Posted: Oct 21, 2020 4:00 PM AT

 


In many rural and remote communities, Ambulance New Brunswick fails to respond to 90 per cent of calls within its target of 22 minutes. (Catherine Allard/Radio-Canada)

Mayors and community leaders in small–town New Brunswick say they weren't surprised at all by this week's scathing report by the auditor general about ambulance response times.

The audit shows that in many rural and remote communities, Ambulance New Brunswick fails to respond to 90 per cent of calls within its target of 22 minutes.

"It's terrible," said Belledune Mayor Joe Noel. "It shouldn't be allowed and there's no need for it."

But those shortfalls are obscured, and don't count against ANB's performance payments, because they're combined with better response times in urban centres for measuring performance--which is allowed under the company's contract.

Blackville Mayor Chris Hennessy said the report is a vindication for him.

"They basically bury the rural stats in the urban numbers so they never show the bad with the good," he said.

"I know people thought I was crazy when I was preaching about this for the last five years … so I'm glad somebody uncovered that." 

Rural vs. urban response

The aggregation of the numbers allows Medavie Health Services New Brunswick, which operates the ambulance service, to collect $650,000 a year for hitting the broader 90-percent target in four large zones that include cities and towns. 

"They're meeting them on the backs of the rural areas," Noel said.

"That's exactly what happens here. When an ambulance goes out in Campbellton or Bathurst, they take the ambulance from Belledune and send it to Bathurst or Campbellton to sit there, whether it gets a call or not...


"It's terrible," says Belledune Mayor Joe Noel. "It shouldn't be allowed and there's no need for it." (Ian Bonnell/CBC)

"That's where the calls are and that's why they're doing it: because it makes their numbers look good." 

Harvey Mayor Winston Gamblin said response times in the village are good when the ambulance happens to be at its local station. 

But when it's been shifting elsewhere, paramedics have a hard time reaching some locations within 22 minutes.

"We feel that if you live in a rural area, you have to take second best, and that's the way it came out in the report yesterday -- that we're second class citizens and [they say] 'we'll get there when we can,'" he said.

Ambulance targets

Under Medavie's contract with the province, ambulances must hit response targets 90 per cent of the time for the organization to receive performance payments.

The targets are to reach the scene of a call within nine minutes in 16 urban areas and within 22 minutes everywhere else in New Brunswick.

The audit found that in 19 out of 67 communities, ANB fell short of the 90 per cent goal. 

But because response times are blended together within four large zones, it "masked" the poor numbers in those rural, remote communities, Auditor General Kim Adair-MacPherson said Tuesday.


Auditor General Kim Adair-MacPherson's audit said the system "has introduced a bias toward achieving high performance in areas of greater population density, to the detriment of rural or remote communities where 911 calls occur less frequently." (Ed Hunter/CBC)

Her audit said the system "has introduced a bias toward achieving high performance in areas of greater population density, to the detriment of rural or remote communities where 911 calls occur less frequently."

Rural areas were at a disadvantage because the system is "reducing the emphasis on improving performance in those areas," allowing Medavie "to focus resources on urban areas while having decreased performance in outlying communities."

In a statement released Tuesday, Medavie Health Services New Brunswick president Richard Losier agreed the average response time "varies from community to community."

But he pointed out what Adair-MacPherson's audit acknowledged: that the contract doesn't rate performance community by community but in four large zones.

"MHSNB is always open and willing to work with our government partners to improve the services to the people of New Brunswick," he said.

Medavie mum

Medavie did not respond to a request Wednesday for an interview with Losier.

On Tuesday Health Minister Dorothy Shephard said she was talking to Medavie officials about renegotiating the contract, which was renewed in 2017 for another 10 years.

Noel said rural response times should carry more weight in measuring ambulance performance.

"When you're 25 minutes away from a hospital to start with, that's where you need the response times," he said.

Belledune had the lowest number of any community measured by the auditor general: ambulances reached their destination within 22 minutes in only 69 per cent of calls.


On Tuesday, Health Minister Dorothy Shephard said she was talking to Medavie officials about renegotiating the contract, which was renewed in 2017 for another 10 years. (Government of New Brunswick)

Marc Henrie, the former chair of the Saint-Paul local service district north of Moncton, said he was not surprised to see the Fords Mills ambulance station with the second-worst rate in the report.

Ambulances based there reach calls within 22 minutes in only 70 per cent of cases.

"The auditor general just released proof that rural citizens are sadly taken as citizens of a second-class," he said.

Henrie chaired the LSD when Ambulance New Brunswick decided to put its bay in Fords Mills rather than in another location closer to Saint-Paul and Route 126, where he says most people in the area live.

"The numbers are not surprising at all," he said.

Sometimes ambulances responding to calls in the Saint-Paul area are sent from Salisbury, even though Moncton is closer. Henrie believes it's so ambulances based in Moncton can stay there and respond to calls in and around the city. 

"It's clear that it's not strategic and it's not what's for the well-being in an emergency situation," he says.

Gamblin says he's glad to see the auditor general put the spotlight on the problem but worries it will discourage people from moving to smaller communities. "It's not an advertisement for rural areas," he says. 

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Jacques Poitras

Provincial Affairs reporter

Jacques Poitras has been CBC's provincial affairs reporter in New Brunswick since 2000. Raised in Moncton, he also produces the CBC political podcast Spin Reduxit.

 

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David Amos
"Health Minister Dorothy Shephard said she was talking to Medavie officials about renegotiating the contract, which was renewed in 2017 for another 10 years"

Methinks Madame Shephard must know by now that the Medavie officials should be regretting their minions threatening litigation against me today N'esy Pas?
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: threatened litigation? Take em down, you don't lose when it comes to the court room nesy pas!!!!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
David Amos
MethinksHiggy et al know why Mayor Joe Noel and I should have a long talks ASAP N'esy Pas?
  
 
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: Mayor Joe Noel should not deny that I tried to talk to him
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: Methinks Higgy et al are gonna regret that I enjoyed talking to Mayor Joe Noel and that I liked the fact he was honest with me N'esy Pas?
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: Methinks to be fair to all I should contact Mayors Winston Gamblin and Chris Hennessy too N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: Well I called them but ain't heard back from them yet 
 
 
David Amos
Methinks it High Time N'esy Pas?
 
 
Al Clark 
Reply to @David Amos: methink it always high time in your trailer naysay paws?
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @Al Clark: trailer. You mean dumpster
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Chantal LeBouthi 
This isn’t about caring about poeples who need help but about getting bonus

Pathetic Bernard lord pathetic
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Chantal LeBouthi: Welcome back to the circus
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
JOhn D Bond
So first the auditor general, now the mayors, soon to be followed by a litany of experts on both sides of the fence.
In the meantime, the important individual in this discussion, the patient in need of an ambulance is left holding the proverbial bag. Not necessarily because of a bad contract with Medavie, but more because of the chronic under funding of the entire health care system by successive NB government. Shortage of Nurses, Shortage of Doctors, Shortage of Specialists, Shortage of ambulances, Shortage of LTC facilities. the only thing we seem to have a surplus is under performing politicians. Example, NB,1 MLA per 17,700 residents, Que, 1 MLA per 67,400 residents, Ont, 1 MLA per 117,500 residents. Have to wonder are we getting 10 times the value from our elected representatives? Doesn't seem to be the case.
 
 
Charlie Papa
Reply to @JOhn D Bond: Good observation. if you read through the report she clearly states that the number of resources has not changed but the volume has had a significant increase. you write a contract knowing that you don't have enough resources get to all the calls 100% so you allow a certainly level of error... 10% in this case. if you want things to improve someone has to pay for it... Rural NBrs may have to see their taxes go up.
 
 
JOhn D Bond
Reply to @Charlie Papa: Absolutely goes back to the funding shortfall by the provincial government. Stealing from Peter to pay Paul is what they do. It needs to stop.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Charlie Papa: Methinks Higgy et al will never admit what the fancy beancounter in Fat Fred City ain't telling us is far more interesting N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Sammy Kofax
I agree this smells bad, but besides the shady practices, hummm you live in a REMOTE area. You want faster times, move closer to the city. We can't have an ambulance waiting on every side road waiting for calls....
 
 
Chantal LeBouthi 
Reply to @Sammy Kofax:

Never ever
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Sammy Kofax: Methinks everybody finally knows this stinks to the high heavens N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Paul Estey
My question is why is there in some cases a second Ambulance NB vehicle(usually an SUV Dodge Durango rushing to most calls as well. They are apparently Advanced EMT´s. Why not just put an advanced EMT in every ambulance, the savings would be astronomical considering costs for for operating these second vehicles(cost for the vehicle, gas, insurance)..use these savings to advance ANB...
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Paul Estey: I repeat are you the former member of the Fat Fred City Finest who worked at the court house when your buddies stole my Harley in 2007 then lost your job for interesting reasons to say the least?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Jake Quinlan
Follow the money. Someone is signing off on this . Performance bonuses for healthcare delivery in this province??. Who are all the players complicit? This is so gd irritating.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Jake Quinlan: Methinks the Auditor General ain't telling us everything just like she never does with NB Power N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Lou Bell
Someone needs to check who the key shareholders are for ANB and Medavie . I think we'd find the SANB backed Assumption Life maybe ?
 
 
David Amos
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Reply to @Lou DumBell: CRY ME A RIVER

Methinks your buddies Cardy and Higgy and even your SANB cohorts Maggy and Marc know that ain't rocket science N'esy Pas?
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: BINGO
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Al Clark
Interesting, isn't it, how easy it is for someone WITH an education can get one over on someone Higgy picked because of how his genius grand-daddy voted!!
 
 
David Amos
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Reply to @Al Clark: Methinks you and your lawyer should say Hey to your heroes Higgy et al and the RCMP for me ASAP N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Johnny Jakobs
Thievery at its finest. Government knew they have been altering their numbers.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Johnny Jakobs: Who is a grouch?
 
 
Johnny Jakobs
Reply to @David Amos: its Ray's avatar...
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @Johnny Jakobs: its Dave popping his head out for butter tarts
 
 
Johnny Jakobs
Reply to @Ray Oliver: who was Sergeant Slaughter? Your grandmothers favorite wrestling character or an off duty cop?
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @Johnny Jakobs: Gammy was a hacksaw Jim Duggan fan
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Johnny Jakobs: I hope you know who this dude is
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Joseph Carrier
Joey used to be an ambulance driver, which Jacques failed to identify..
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Joseph Carrier: Surprise Surprise Surprise
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: Methinks everybody knows your buddies whom you and Risdon used to write spin for own Ambulance NB N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Gerry Ferguson
I've never had to call an ambulance before and hope I never do, because I live out in the sticks!
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Gerry Ferguson: Me Too
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Gary MacKay
I am looking forward to an apology from the Mayor of Saint John for not only receiving a multi million dollar support payment from every taxpayer in NB, now an added subsidy from the rural folks. His constant wining that they don't pay their way has absolutely no merit IMO.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Gary MacKay: Good Luck getting one
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Ian Miller
Good to know that emergency services are set up to get bonuses on peoples lives...all people involved should be charged for this system..no wonder its a news story...they fix their own times anf ignore the long ones...wow im disgusted by this
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Ian Miller: Methinks you are not alone N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Matt Steele
The Ambulance provider certainly shouldn't be fudging the books to fill their pockets ; but the response time for any emergency service in the rural areas is very slow to non existent . Call the RCMP at 4 am some time , and see how slow their response time is ; or the volunteer fire service . People keep demanding that rural areas pay more taxes , yet rural folks get next to zero services . Rural folks are lucky if the govt. even sands their roads in the winter .
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Matt Steele: Methinks many would agree with me that you are very wrong the volunteer fire service folks but you would never admit it N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
John Smith
Plus the ambulances aren't allow to go more than 10 kilometres OVER the speed limits so lets hope they don't hit many 50 or 60 km speed limits on the way to your house.
 
 
Matt Steele
Reply to @John Smith: ....The speed restrictions on Ambulances were put into place after some serious accidents involving Ambulances that were traveling to fast and recklessly . It is far better for the Ambulance to follow the speed limit , and get there safely ; rather than have them driving at high speeds , and becoming involved in serious accidents in which the Ambulance crews , patients , and others could be killed .
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Matt Steele: Methinks you would change your tune if you were one of their clients n'esy Pas/
 
 
Al Clark
Reply to @David Amos: Methinks you would change YOUR tune if plowed into at the corner of Crown and Union......
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Al Clark: Methinks your RCMP buddies if they were remotely ethical would agree that is an implied threat hinting about the location involved in trial going on in Saint John right now. i have no doubt whatsoever if you had posted such a thing directed at a politician such as Teddy Flemming in a public forum the Keystone Kops would be knocking on you door and asking to expalin your comment real slow N'esy Pas?
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: no, because its a chat forum on a website and means absolutely nothing. Get a clue
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Ray Oliver: Methinks Higgy et al should have had your RCMP buddies say hey to their favourite shill many moons ago N"esy Pas?
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: yet I still run free! I'm as shocked as you are. Guess those emails you send go exactly where we all know they do
 
 
Al Clark
Reply to @David Amos: There's a guy on trial in freddy right now that's shares your paranoia and delusions.........
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Al Clark: Methinks you and you lawyer should say Hey to your fellow Keystone Kops in Fat Fred City who stole my Harley registered in the the US of A in 2007. Whereas you know so much about me I trust YOU know that Higgy et al, the RCMP and the FBI all know about the SNB deliberately losing the record of my motorcycle being stored at Capital City Towing illegally after the Yankee cops and the Insurance Bureau Of Canada failed in their false allegations against me being a thief and a Hells Angel etc N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Chuck Gendron
Well now we know that ANB has very little ethics, they are no better then thieves.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Chuck Gendron: This is not news to me and many others.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Paul Bourgoin
Have a look at your roads and you hospital parking!! Then you will understand!
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Paul Bourgoin: Yea Right
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Andrew Taylor
Imagine allocating resources to a population but instead of using logic and reasoning you try to give everyone the same ambulance response rates. Am I stupid for thinking this way? honest question.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Andrew Taylor: Do you really want an answer?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Lorelei Stott
why did it take 5 years to get an audit done? seems like a big fish that should have had eyeballs on it from the get go? oui? non?
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Lorelei Stott: Go Figure
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Brian Robertson
Any expectation that an ambulance can be dispatched to a remote rural location, and then arrive at a time comparable to urban services is ludicrous.
How does police service compare?
Or how about fire services?
Next some of these dreamers will be complaining about the lack of sidewalks and street lights.
 
 
Michael Collins
Reply to @Brian Robertson: If you read the article you would see that the contract states expected response times of 9 minutes for urban areas and 22 minutes for rural areas. No one is expecting them to be similar, but fudging the numbers to make it appear they are meeting the response times in all areas, in order to collect bonuses close to a million dollars a year, is border line criminal.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Michael Collins: I concur
 
 
 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/nb-covid-second-case-dalhousie-1.5770583

 

N.B. COVID-19 roundup: Dalhousie man becomes 4th victim, 6 new cases reported

Moncton region now slated to return to yellow level of recovery Friday instead of Thursday

 

Gail Harding, Bobbi-Jean MacKinnon · CBC News · Posted: Oct 21, 2020 6:37 AM AT

 


Rheal Vautour of Dalhousie has been identified as New Brunswick's fourth COVID-19-related fatality. (Facebook)

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The town of Dalhousie is mourning the loss of a local man identified as New Brunswick's fourth COVID-19-related fatality.

Rheal Vautour was in his 70s.

Dalhousie Mayor Normand Pelletier described him as a "down-to-earth gentleman" who "wouldn't hurt a fly."

"That's the problem with COVID, you don't know who it's going to hit and when, or how hard it's going to hit," Pelletier said.

"It's sad to see, but I guess COVID is going to take its toll on our region and the world itself."

The mayor offered heart-felt condolences to Vautour's son, Mark, and to Vautour's siblings.

"They were a big family of eight," he said. "They're a very respected family in the municipality."

Vautour was well-known for his passion for classic vehicles, Pelletier said.

"He's going to be missed because we always [saw] him driving around town with his antique cars."

Public Health said in a news release Wednesday that an individual between 70 and 79 years old in the Campbellton health region, Zone 5, died "as a result of underlying complications, including COVID-19."

The province also recorded six new confirmed cases of the respiratory disease on Wednesday, all in the Campbellton region.

Pelletier is concerned Public Health officials have still not been able to determine the source of the outbreak in the region. The outbreak was first reported by Public Health on Oct. 8.

He urged area residents to "be careful" and follow Public Health measures "to a T."

They should "wear a mask, wash their hands often, keep their distance, and stay in their little bubble for now till we can put this to rest," he said.

'Difficult to witness'

Vautour's death comes just days after COVID-19 claimed the province's third victim. A resident in their 60s at Manoir Notre-Dame, a special care home in Moncton, which is also experiencing an outbreak of the virus, died last Sunday.

"The loss of another person in our province related to COVID-19 is not news we ever want to have to share," Premier Blaine Higgs said in a statement Wednesday, offering his condolences.

"It has been difficult to witness the unfolding outbreak in the Campbellton-Restigouche region," said Dr. Jennifer Russell, New Brunswick's chief medical officer of health.


New Brunswick recorded six new confirmed cases of COVID-19 on Wednesday and two more recoveries. (The Canadian Press/NIAID-RML via AP)

The six new cases include a person aged 19 or under, a person in their 30s, two people in their 40s, one person in the 50s, and one person in their 60s.

They are all self-isolating and their cases are under investigation, said Public Health.

Two more people have recovered, leaving 92 active cases across the province.

Five people are in hospital, including one in intensive care.

The active cases include 33 people in the Moncton health region, Zone 1, one person in the Saint John region, Zone 2, one person in the Fredericton region, Zone 3, and 57 people in the Campbellton region.

New Brunswick has had 319 confirmed cases of COVID-19 since the pandemic began in March. To date, 223 people have recovered.

A total of 94,322 tests have been conducted so far, 666 of them on Tuesday.

Moncton and Campbellton remain orange

The Moncton and Campbellton regions remain at the orange level of New Brunswick's COVID-19 recovery plan, and the rest of the province is under the less restrictive yellow level.

"It is anticipated that [the Moncton region] will return to the yellow level on Friday, Oct. 23, if current trends continue," Public Health said Wednesday.

Last week, Premier Blaine Higgs and Dr. Jennifer Russell, the chief medical officer of health, had both said they expected the switch to take effect on Thursday.

The Campbellton region will remain at the orange level.

Thirty-three of the 92 active COVID-19 cases are in the Moncton health region, which is currently in the orange level of recovery. It's now expected to return to the yellow level on Friday instead of Thursday, Public Health said. (CBC)

About 30 cases have developed in that region in the past couple of weeks, with transmission occurring in "multiple" workplace and social settings, according to Russell.

Too many people are not wearing their masks and not physically distancing, she had said, urging area residents to "redouble" their efforts.

At the orange level, residents are restricted to two-household bubbles, which can extend to include caregivers and immediate family members.

Travel in or out of the zone is discouraged, except for essential reasons, and outdoor gatherings are limited to 10 or fewer with physical distancing.

2nd case confirmed at Dalhousie High

A second case of COVID-19 has been confirmed at Dalhousie Regional High School in northern New Brunswick.

Students, staff, parents and guardians at the school in Dalhousie were notified late Tuesday night by Anglophone School District North superintendent Mark Donovan.

This case has no connection with the previously identified case, Public Health said.

Students in Grades 9 to 12 will be doing virtual learning Wednesday while contact tracing is completed by Public Health.


A second case of COVID-19 has been confirmed at Dalhousie Regional High School, one of four schools in Dalhousie with COVID cases. (Facebook/Dalhousie Regional High School)

Students in Grades 6 to 8 had not returned to school after it reopened Oct. 15 and were set to return Friday. That may be extended, according to Public Health.

Families will receive updates from the school as decisions are made, it said.

Six schools in Zone 5, the Campbellton region, have had confirmed cases of COVID-19, including all four schools in Dalhousie, one in Campbellton and one in Balmoral.

No student-to-student transmission has been recorded in any school to date, said Public Health.

What to do if you have a symptom

People concerned they might have COVID-19 symptoms can take a self-assessment test on the government website at gnb.ca. 

Public Health says symptoms shown by people with COVID-19 have included: a fever above 38 C, a new cough or worsening chronic cough, sore throat, runny nose, headache, new onset of fatigue, new onset of muscle pain, diarrhea, loss of sense of taste or smell, and difficulty breathing.

In children, symptoms have also included purple markings on the fingers and toes.

People with one of those symptoms should:

  • Stay at home.

  • Call Tele-Care 811 or their doctor.

  • Describe symptoms and travel history.

  • Follow instructions.

 

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Michael durant 
many healthcare workers work in Campbellton and live in Quebec. They need to come and go daily. Good to see exemptions are still in place. Hang in there I understand 5000 more of you lost their doctor this summer. Good luck.
 
 
 
 
 
Joseph Carrier 
Rheal was a fine man who will be missed...
 
 
 
 
 
Lou Bell 
The MLA for this area , Mr. Arsenault , said in a story in the Telegraph Journal the area should br complimented for the good job it is doing in the fight against COVID. Go at 'er Mr. Arsenault . The Donald agrees with your line of thinking
 
 
Dave Ladd
Reply to @Lou Bell: TDS is strong with you. Tell us, oh wise one, what would you have done differently if you were the president? If original death estimates are to believed, then DJT saved 2 million people. Oh, btw, is PM Skippy responsible for the 9500 dead in Canada? Just checking. Reply to 
 
 
Lou Bell 
@Dave Ladd: Trump closed nothing down , left states on their own TO COMPETE WITH EACH OTHER for PPE's / ventilators ! He virtually did nothing ! He claimed he stooped flights from China . No he didn't ! He claims it's a straight road ahead and COVID cases are going down ! No they're not ! He cost America tens of thousands of lives ! You know that ! No fan of Trudeau's but he's at least he did what was necessary to save lives . Your guy Trump ??? Nadda ! Nadda ! Nadda !!!

 

 

 

 

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"Lizotte said appointments aren't necessary, but each person needs to have a New Brunswick Medicare card" Methinks Mayor Joe Noel of Belledune should have called me back by now N'esy Pas? 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

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N.B. COVID-19 roundup: Campbellton region 'on verge' of return to red phase after new cases

Restrictions tightened as Public Health sees strong signs of community spread of disease

 

Gail Harding, Jordan Gill · CBC News · Posted: Oct 22, 2020 7:27 AM AT

 


Higgs said he was concerned with the increasing number of cases in Zone 5 and while the zone technically remains in the orange stage, that may not be the case for long. (Serge Bouchard/Radio-Canada)

More restrictions have been announced for the Campbellton region, which recorded three new cases of COVID-19 Thursday, almost two weeks after it was pushed back to the orange phase of recovery.  

The new cases consist of one person in their 40s and two in their 50s. 

While Zone 5 will remain in the orange stage, people will be limited to interacting with a single household bubble, Chief Medical Officer of Health Dr. Jennifer Russell said.

Meanwhile, Belledune, which is not in Zone 5, will have to follow the new restrictions, and Kedgwick, which is in Zone 5, will be exempt.

Russell said there are four separate chains of infection in the region that cannot be linked.

"This is a strong indication that community spread is happening," she said. 

Premier Blaine Higgs said he'd hoped that by moving the region back earlier this month from yellow to orange in the recovery process that the spread of the virus would be contained. That hasn't happened, he said, and about 300 people are now self-isolating in the region because they're at risk of developing COVID-19.



(CBC)

And while the zone technically remains at orange, that may not be the case for long.

"When I think about [the] Campbellton region and Zone 5, I think … we're on the verge of going back," Higgs said, referring to the red phase that the whole province was placed under early in the pandemic.

"We do not want to ... turn it into a red. We are on the verge of making a decision, though, that would significantly impact the economy and the livelihoods."

Higgs said travel into and out of the zone is "highly discouraged" but stopped short of saying it was forbidden.


'When I think about [the] Campbellton region and Zone 5, I think … we're on the verge of going back,' Higgs said, referring to the red phase that the whole province was placed under early in the pandemic. (Government of New Brunswick)

Under the red stage, which is still a possibility for the region, all elective and non-urgent medical procedures would be postponed.

K-12 schools would become virtual only but daycares would remain open. Restaurants would only be able to offer drive-thru, delivery or takeout. and only drive-in church services would be allowed

Gyms, cinemas and barbers world remain closed but most retail businesses could remain open as long as they had an operational plan.

Provincial guidelines give four criteria for when a red stage could be introduced: three unlinked chains of community transmission in six days, the health-care system being overwhelmed, outbreaks not being controlled through testing and public health measures not being effective.

There are now 81 active cases of COVID-19 in New Brunswick. There were 714 tests for the virus in the province on Wednesday, bringing the total number of tests to 95,036.

The province has had 322 total cases since the pandemic began with 237 recoveries and four deaths.

Five people are now hospitalized because of the virus, including one in intensive care.

Higgs doesn't rule fines for violators

The province released some sobering statistics about the outbreak in the Campbellton region.

Over 16 days in October, the provincial positive test average was less than one per cent, but in Zone 5 it was 4.24 per cent.

While the province has an average of 14.39 cases per 100,000 "in Zone 5 the ratio is 245 cases per 100,000 people," and "COVID-19 is more prevalent in Zone 5 than anywhere else in Atlantic Canada."

Russell said she understands some residents may feel shamed and she's not looking to blame anyone for the outbreak, but she suggested people living in the area were not limiting their social contacts as much as they should be.

"Expanding the household bubbles too widely, obviously in the situation that is happening right now in the Campbellton-Restigouche area, we cannot maintain,"

Higgs said he had hoped that returning Zone 5 to the orange level would be enough to lower rates of transmission, but it has not been, which necessitated the increased restrictions.

"We will assess these activities through testing, through adherence, through additional staffing of compliance officers and, yes, fines if necessary, because we must get back under control," said Higgs. 

Moncton moves forward to yellow again

While restrictions are increasing in Zone 5, the government is loosening restrictions in Zone 1, the Moncton region, although both have had outbreaks in recent weeks.

Moncton's active cases now stand at 25, and Dr. Jennifer Russell, the chief medical health officer, said its outbreak has been brought under control. The first cases in the Moncton outbreak were reported the first week of October, and the outbreak went on to include residents, staff and family at the Manoir Notre-Dame special care home.

"We are seeing fewer cases related to that outbreak and have identified links among all the reported cases," Russell said Thursday.

With no new cases in Zone 1, the region will move Friday from orange to the less restrictive yellow stage of COVID-19 recovery. All other health zones, with the exception of the Campbellton region, have been under some stage of the yellow phase since May 22.


Dr. Jennifer Russel, the chief medical officer of health, said Moncton's outbreak has now been brought under control. (Government of New Brunswick)

Under yellow, Zone 1 residents will be able to meet with people beyond a two-family bubble although, as in the rest of the province, they should limit groups.

Uncontrolled indoor or outdoor gatherings with physical distancing can be held with crowds of 50 or fewer.

Gyms, cinemas and hair-styling businesses can also reopen in yellow

Zones 5 will be the only health region of the province in the orange stage of recovery as of midnight Thursday night. Everywhere else will be in the yellow stage.

Case at NB Power plant

As Belledune has moved back into the orange stage of recovery CBC News has learned that an employee of NB Power's Belledune Generating Station in the village has tested positive for COVID-19.

Joe Noel, the mayor of Belledune, said NB Power informed him of the positive test on Sunday.

"They said they had someone who had tested positive and that some other employees were being tested," said Noel.

Noel said he didn't know if the worker was from Belledune or from another community.

During her briefing on Thursday, Russell would not confirm there was a case at the Belledune plant or if the case was the reason for the area being moved into the orange stage. She cited privacy reasons.

"The decision around … Belledune in terms of how they're included or not included in Zone 5 is based on our risk assessment," Russell said.

NB Power also declined to comment on the case at the plant.

"Any questions related to COVID should be directed to Public Health," said NB Power spokesperson Marc Belliveau.

Mass testing for Zone 5 this weekend

Public Health and Vitalité Health Network will hold two days of mass testing for COVID-19 in the Campbellton region, or Zone 5, on Saturday and Sunday.

"The objective is to get an accurate picture of the prevalence of the virus in the community given the current outbreak in that region," Vitalité spokesperson Thomas Lizotte said in a release Thursday. 

As of Wednesday, there were 57 actives COVID cases in Zone 5, and it remains in the orange phase of recovery, behind almost all other health zones in the province. Moncton is also in orange but could move to the less restrictive yellow phase on Friday.

This week, the province also recorded the fourth death related to COVID-19, Dalhousie resident, Rheal Vautour, 71.

Saturday's testing will be held at the Memorial Regional Civic Centre in Campbellton and Sunday's will be in Dalhousie at Inch Arran Arena. Testing will be done from 9 a.m. to 7 p.m. each day. 


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 N.B. COVID-19 roundup: Campbellton region 'on verge' of return to red phase  after new cases | CBC News

Lizotte said appointments aren't necessary, but each person needs to have a New Brunswick Medicare card.

"Screening tests will be done on a first come, first served basis." 

Those attending are advised to dress warmly since people will be waiting outside at times. 

"All testing done during these two days is only intended for people who do not have any symptoms of COVID-19," Lizotte said in the release.Those with symptoms are asked to request a test online or call Tele-Care 811 to get an appointment at the nearest screening centre. 

"The network would like to remind people about the importance of following health advice to protect themselves and their loved ones, which is to wear a mask, maintain two metres of physical distancing and wash their hands often."

Mass testing was conducted in Restigouche County during Zone 5's first outbreak in June. 

Dalhousie high school remains closed after 2nd case reported

Dalhousie Regional High School remained closed Thursday and Friday after a second case of COVID-19 was confirmed at the northern New Brunswick school. 

Public Health said the second case has no connection with the previously identified case at the school in Dalhousie.


Mass testing will be held Saturday from 9 a.m. to 7 p.m. at the Memorial Regional Civic Centre in Campbellton. (Serge Bouchard/Radio Canada)

A decision on when the school will reopen will be made Friday, Anglophone School District North superintendent Mark Donovan advised parents and guardians in a letter posted on the school's website and Facebook page.

Students from Grade 6 to 12 will continue virtual learning until then. 

Students expected to show up when schools open

Six schools in Zone 5, the Campbellton region, have had confirmed cases of COVID-19, including all four schools in Dalhousie, one in Campbellton and one in Balmoral.

And Anglophone School District North says all students are expected to attend school unless they have a doctor's note.

"If parents choose to keep students home when schools are open, there is no expectation for teachers to provide work for those students," superintendent Mark Donovan told parents and guardians in a letter published online.

Donovan said schools or classrooms would be closed for one of two reasons: by direction of Public Health or because of operational problem. One operational issue would be an inability to find replacement staff or supply teachers. 

"A classroom or school may need to close, simply because there are not enough staff to operate the class/building." 

No student-to-student transmission has been recorded in any school to date, said Public Health.

What to do if you have a symptom

People concerned they might have COVID-19 symptoms can take a self-assessment test on the government website at gnb.ca. 

Public Health says symptoms shown by people with COVID-19 have included: a fever above 38 C, a new cough or worsening chronic cough, sore throat, runny nose, headache, new onset of fatigue, new onset of muscle pain, diarrhea, loss of sense of taste or smell, and difficulty breathing.

In children, symptoms have also included purple markings on the fingers and toes.

People with one of those symptoms should:

  • Stay at home.

  • Call Tele-Care 811 or their doctor.

  • Describe symptoms and travel history.

  • Follow instructions.

 

 

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Tamara MacMillan 
We are told to limit to a one household family but our local school is still open. I am considered Zone 5 but we border Belledune. One minute Belledune is excluded than now included. I wish someone would set the Zones finally for all to understand.
 
 
Joseph Carrier
Reply to @Tamara MacMillan: Tide Head to Dalhousie-Charlo basin to the Chaleur and Lorne LSDs to Belledune/JR is a big region, as we interact countless of times a week for everything...Our 20,000+ people are always at high risk of transfer because we tend to share numerous services and are connected by family and culture...The number of cases is no surprise...You're taking 125 communities here, both past, merged, and present...  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Lou Bell
Hard to convince self entitled people they can save the lives of others . Social media and greed will do that to you .
 
 
Amajor Hall 
Reply to @Lou Bell: you obviously went to the region and saw all the entitled and selfish people to make this hyperbolic and disproportionate conclusion! Covid doesn't care!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Carlson MacKenzie
Wear your masks. They might save you anti-maskers from drowning if you go out in the rain.
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Carlson MacKenzie: A bit of rain never hurt anyone. People would be well advised to spend more time going for walks in the rain and less time inside public spaces in close contact with other people.
 
 
Carlson MacKenzie
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Apparently you didn't get it. I was referring to the myth that turkeys stare up at the sky with open mouths in the rain which leads to their death from drowning hence equating anti-maskers, etc. with turkeys who have the reputation of being dumb. You follow?

Your statement is true.
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Carlson MacKenzie: Here's the question: did *anyone* get it besides you?
 
 
 
 
 

 

N.B. COVID-19 roundup: 2 new cases, 8 recoveries reported Friday

Blaine Higgs and Dr. Jennifer Russell answer New Brunswickers' questions

 

Gail Harding · CBC News · Posted: Oct 23, 2020 12:17 PM AT

 


Premier Blaine Higgs said Zone 5 can stay out of the red phase if all residents co-operate and follow the rules. (Government of New Brunswick)

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  • Testing possible for essential workers
  • Businesses in Campbellton suffering
  • What to do if you have a symptom

Two new cases of COVID-19 have been confirmed in the province Friday, both in the Campbellton area, Zone 5.

The cases involve one individual in their 40s and one in their 70s, and both people are self-isolating, the Health Department said in a news release Friday.

The province also reported eight recoveries from COVID-19.

This brings the total number of active cases down to 75. There have been a total of 324 cases of the disease in New Brunswick, with 245 recoveries and four deaths.

There were 548 tests conducted on Thursday, bringing the total number of tests to 95,584.

Premier confident Zone 5 can get handle on virus

As residents of Restigouche County head into the weekend under a more restrictive orange phase or recovery, Premier Blaine Higgs says the region is very close to being put back into the red phase as more positive cases of COVID-19 are announced.

After looking at the numbers, Public Health recommendations and where to find the balance, the premier said the government decided to limit interaction in the Campbellton region to single household bubbles to see if it would help limit the spread of the virus. 



(CBC)

"Can we get a handle on this," Higgs said he and others asked. "And so we believe that we can, but we won't do it without the residents being part of it."

Three new cases were announced Thursday in the Campbellton region, or Zone 5, which now has 55 active cases and 300 people in self-isolation. 

Dr. Jennifer Russell, the chief medical officer of health, said were four separate chains of infection in the region that cannot be linked, a strong indication of community spread of the virus. 


Higgs said he was concerned with the increasing number of cases in Zone 5 and while the zone technically remains in the orange stage, that may not be the case for long. (Serge Bouchard/Radio-Canada)

Mass testing will take place Saturday and Sunday in Zone 5 as a way for Public Health to get a more accurate picture of the prevalence of the virus in the community. Russell said Public Health would have the data from the two days of testing by Tuesday.

Testing of non-symptomatic people will be held Saturday at the Memorial Regional Civic Centre in Campbellton and on Sunday at Inch Arran Arena in Dalhousie. Testing will be done from 9 a.m. to 7 p.m. each day. 

This testing isn't for people who have symptoms, since they would follow the usual route to get tested at a testing centre. 

Zone 1 hospitals allow more visitors, surgeries 

Hospitals in Zone 1 are beginning to loosen restrictions now that the region has moved back into the yellow phase of recoveryy.

The Vitalité Health Network said it will start allowing more visitors and increase elective procedures at the Dr. Georges-L.-Dumont University Hospital Centre in Moncton and Stella-Maris-de-Kent Hospital in Sainte-Anne-de-Kent. 

"The return of Moncton and surrounding area to the yellow phase allows us to now adopt somewhat less restrictive rules for visitors and to gradually re-establish service delivery," said Vitalité CEO Gilles Lanteigne in a news release.

Visits to patients will be allowed between 2 p.m. and 8 p.m.

Patients can only have one visitor at a time, except when in palliative care, when two are allowed.

Patients who have, or are suspected of having, COVID-19 are not allowed to have visitors.

Many questions from public for Higgs, Russell

Premier Blaine Higgs and Chief Medical Officer of Health Dr. Jennifer Russell answered COVID-related questions from New Brunswick residents on CBC New Brunswick's Information Morning shows.  

One of the most touching calls came from Edwina Baldwin. She said she has not been able to touch her husband, in a nursing home and in the late stages of Alzheimer's, since the province went into lockdown on March 15.

While she has been able to visit him, they must be six feet apart and supervised, and she can't touch him, despite a Sept. 2 announcement that nursing home residents are now allowed to hug one designated person. 


Dr. Jennifer Russell, chief medical officer of health, said there is a strong indication that community spread is happening in Zone 5. (Government of New Brunswick)

"Why can I not touch my husband's hand? Next call I get he'll be on his way," Baldwin said. 

Russell explained it is up to each home to determine how it can handle visits with family, based on the home's operational plan and directions from Public Health.

"I find it really sad, obviously," Russell said. 

Testing possible for essential workers

After addressing a question about travel outside the Atlantic bubble, Higgs said the government is looking at putting new measures in place to test essential workers who are coming back to New Brunswick.

At present, these workers who come into the province from outside the bubble are not required to self-isolate for 14 days, as most other people are. Higgs said the province plans a testing program.

"We would do it maybe on the first day and tenth day, but we would work out some formula there that basically we'd stay in touch and we'd do the testing just to be sure,"  Higgs said.

Another caller asked how soon the province would see rapid testing similar to the pilot project being tested in Alberta that will test essential workers coming into Canada.

If the test comes back negative in 48 hours, the person is no longer required to self-isolate but will have to have another test on Day 6 or 7 after arrival. 

Participants in the test project will be closely monitored through daily symptom checks and be required to follow preventive health measures such as wearing masks in public places and avoiding visiting high-risk groups. 

Russell said her department will be watching what happens in Alberta to see if the ultimate goal of expanding it to other travellers can be done. 

"In the meantime, you know, we do have to as, as the premier said, follow the public health directions right now." 

Campbellton business community suffering

Luc Couturier said people in Campbellton are scared as the region continues to deal with the COVID-19 outbreak. 

"We put our guards down and that's what happens." 

Couturier owns and operates a family restaurant, Cafe Chez Wes, is the president of the business group Downtown Campbellton, and sits on the board of the Restigouche Chamber of Commerce. He says businesses have been hit hard, including his own.

"I've lost 50 to 60 per cent of my customers in a week or so. Business is very slow right now." 

In addition to losing customers because of the suspension of the mini-bubble with Quebec's Avignon region Oct. 8, Couturier said now some businesses are dealing with a closure because of restrictions under the orange phase. 

"We already see businesses downtown that will be closing their doors shortly. They can't keep up like that." 

Couturier said he gets frustrated when he hears Premier Higgs claims that the economy is good in the province.

"Well I'm sorry, sir,  but get out of your office and go in the malls and go in the downtowns. Businesses are suffering." 

As a small business owner himself, Couturier said it isn't acceptable that no help was offered to them by the government.

What to do if you have a symptom

People concerned they might have COVID-19 symptoms can take a self-assessment test on the government website at gnb.ca. 

Public Health says symptoms shown by people with COVID-19 have included: a fever above 38 C, a new cough or worsening chronic cough, sore throat, runny nose, headache, new onset of fatigue, new onset of muscle pain, diarrhea, loss of sense of taste or smell, and difficulty breathing.

In children, symptoms have also included purple markings on the fingers and toes.

People with one of those symptoms should:

  • Stay at home.

  • Call Tele-Care 811 or their doctor.

  • Describe symptoms and travel history.

  • Follow instructions.

CBC's Journalistic Standards

With files from Information Morning Moncton

 

 

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David Amos
Methinks Vitalité spokesperson Thomas Lizotte said in a release Thursday that each person needs to have a New Brunswick Medicare Card be even tested for the pesky virus N'esy Pas?
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: Now i know why he never called me back over the course of the past year
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: bummer
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: you should put your resume into a call center. Haven't worked ever.. but I do know how to cold call!!!!
 
 
Harvey York
Reply to @Ray Oliver: poker game at Higgy's tomorrow night we're playing for Medicare cards, you in?
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @Harvey York: ohhhh I'm in. Double down, parades are closed so can we bet a Santa hat? Complete with beer box sign that says playing for a pint!!!
 
 
Harvey York
Reply to @Ray Oliver: sounds good man, maybe we can throw a harley in the pot too
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @Harvey York: talk like that im gonna sue the crown!!
 
 
Harvey York
Reply to @Ray Oliver: how dare you waste valuable tax payers resources on frivolous lawsuits brought on by bad choices that you made and because your life is a dumpster fire. For shame good sir, for shame
 
 
Lou Bell
Reply to @Harvey York: Methinks wethinks itstinks !! Ye think ???
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: SO YOU SAY EH?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
David Amos
Methinks you did not read this in the news yet the opposition won't mention what is published on the government's website N'esy Pas?

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Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: boy named sue
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Fred Dee
My daughter flew into YFC this week. She is now self isolating, we dropped a car at the airport for her to drive into town. It was hard to watch EVERYONE else walk out, hug someone and jump into a vehicle and drive off!!!! Here she is in lockdown for 2 weeks and they can spread covid all over!!! This is wrong!!!! Do as Alberta is looking to do.... test on arrival
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Fred Dee: If you're referring to the testing of international travelers on arrival by air in Alberta, that's a pilot project (no pun intended) that just started. Depending on the results, it may or may not be implemented across the country. Note that there are still no hugs at the airport. Travelers are required to self-isolate until they receive their test result.

I'm more interested in the people you saw hugging at the airport. Right now people returning to NB after working in other provinces aren't required to self-isolate. Me personally, I think they should be.
 
 
Andrew Purdy
Reply to @Fred Dee: Most new cases in the atlantic bubble are travel related... A test is only a snap shot in time.. You can test negative today but have symptoms and test positive 3 days from now.. We have seen this to be true in the mass testing in nursing homes etc.
Are you really saying to follow Alberta, which broke a record 3 days in a row for the most cases, has a surge in covid, and has a major outbreak in foothill and other hospitals??? Or do we do what Thailand and NZ did and require all people 14 self isolation and each has had 100 day with no new cases this summer..
 
 
Mary Smith
Reply to @Andrew Purdy: Or we can look to PEI that has essential workers "work-isolate" so they're tested and then tested again every few days, able to go to work but when not at work they stay home. They learned this lesson after a worker who was exempt from quarantine was able to work many shifts while positive. Testing is a "snap shot in time" but that's why you retest them every so often to get a fuller picture. So that cases are identified asap so they can be isolated and contact tracing can happen asap get ahead of the virus to break the chains of transmission to keep cases travel related and out from community spread.

Or we can look to NS that has semi-isolation rules in place for returning workers, so there's a sort of "stop gap" like in domino's to keep the risk to the public lower. It is easier to do this, than to have large outbreaks with community spread and see everyone have to go backwards.

We need some combination of their policies, or as outlined in the CBC article below, to prevent outbreaks from all the exemptions to the 100% effective method of breaking the chains of transmission, and that's quarantines. The virus doesn't move, we move it. Quarantines stop the spread. If the virus isn't here, that means it has to be brought in through those exemptions to quarantine. If people truly must move across borders to where the virus is not controlled, then we must focus our efforts there to take snap shots in time and implement measures to lower the risk to the public, so in the event they do have it, it can be quickly contained. Proactive measures instead of just reactive.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/province-should-reimpose-quarantine-1.5765694 « less
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Mary Smith:
Or we could stop the total lack of common sense altogether, we go back to the time where you either self isolate for 14 days, or you don't enter.
These free range folks are the problem, and attempting to place the blame elsewhere is counterproductive, either fix the problem, or stand aside Higgs.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: ALL political leaders demand that anyone with any semblance of common sense and a conscience must be excluded from their "Teams". Everybody knows a "Just Democracy' is a myth and that the game of running governments is a blood sport in a worldwide arena where nobody fights fair.

Its truly amazing to me that so many people who obviously don't behave with integrity because they are well aware that the rules do not apply to them are expected to be called honourable by the sheople they purportedly serve. It is well known that the governments have more former journalists spinning their propaganda than the corporate media has reporters regurgitating what their friends have spewed. Just because political people say it don't make it so but our legitimate opinions in opposition to their spin are easily stifled by websites overseen by the government and their corporate friends. However the rise of social media has put many fancy knickers in quite a knot by merely putting flies in the ointments that are supposed to keep the sheople pacified and obedient. Not everybody is like the mindless sheople who will always believe what they want to believe just like greedy cattle who follow their noses into the abattoir.

Methinks the most interesting revelation this weekend related to the COVID 19 nonsense is the fact that the Fed's inquiry to set up detention centres has finally been exposed by folks in the social media. Now even Trudeau The Younger is trying hard to deny it but it ain't working. The government's publication is irrefutable N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
James Edward
If a zone has ZERO cases....why are we in Yellow...? Logic would dictate it should be green....yellow when a case arrives....and if it's spreading then red?
 
 
Lou Bell
Reply to @James Edward: Green is no masking , no social distancing . It's still out there . You do realize that don't you ? Take a look at the rest of Canada and the U.S.. Protection and preparation is the key . One wants to play Russian Roulette , go to those areas , they seem to revel in it !
 
 
James Edward
Reply to @Lou Bell: I'm starting to consider it.
 
 
JOhn D Bond 
Reply to @James Edward: Apparently their methodology is not where 1+1 = 2 there are other variables they take into consideration to arrive at the result.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @James Edward: Go Figure
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @James Edward:
There is no logic involved here, none whatsoever.
We have so-called leaders, standing before us, blaming and shaming us, while the whole time those very same so-called leaders are wholesale inviting covid 19 in the front door, unfettered by the exemptions they are more than willing to give some, but not all, of us.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
James Edward
this is a distortion
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @James Edward: Methinks it just the usual circus but the Yuletide season is coming fast
 
 
Lou Bell
Reply to @James Edward: Explain !!
 
 
James Edward
Reply to @Lou Bell: of the facts
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Matt Steele
It sounds like the Higgs govt. is making every effort to bring Covid-19 under control , and it is paying off . Hopefully the govt. will tighten up the border with Quebec , and impose tighter travel restrictions as to avoid further spread
 
 
James Edward
Reply to @Matt Steele: until when? until there is no economy to protect?
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @James Edward: What economy?
 
 
James Edward
Reply to @David Amos: the little we have left, there is still something...but you're right it's likely already baked in now....hopefully the depression won't last more than a decade...
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @James Edward: ii would not bet the farm on it. i am telling my children and their children to prepare for the worst but continue to hope for the best
 
 
Lou Bell
Reply to @James Edward: Depends on how soon you overcpme your election loss ! Probably will be at least a decade , maybe two or three ! Two or three of the SANB Liberals posting her I don't think will ever get over it !
 
 
James Edward
Reply to @Lou Bell: I don't care who's in power, until all MLA's are not a part of a political party, it's all just a show
 
 
Lou Bell
Reply to @James Edward: So you didn't vote and yet want politicians to cowtow to you , like Dave does . Not gonna happen .
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: What planet are you from???
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Matt Steele:
Not exactly. They are "blaming and shaming" the citizens of this province while allowing those who have so-called exemptions to skip isolating for 14 days effectively allowing covid 19 to waltz in the front door.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Ray Bungay
Come on folks, it is not that difficult. Wear a mask when out anywhere and wash your hands often.
 
 
Ray Bungay
Reply to @Ray Bungay: And practice social distancing. 3 great ways to limit the transmission.
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Ray Bungay: Here's the question, Ray: why is it that the measures that are working throughout the rest of the province are not working in Zone 5? What's different about Zone 5? The answer is that all of the measures you mention provide *some* degree of protection, but even all three together they don't offer 100.0000% protection. The more infected people there are in your environment, the greater your changes of becoming infected. What's different about Zone 5? Daily traffic to and from Quebec.
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @SarahRose Werner:
When did that penny drop?
 
 
Lou Bell 
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: And yet why hasn't the community across the river in Quebec gotten more than 1 or 2 cases ? The people in zone 5 aren't following procedures the way they're supposed to .
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: For me personally? When Zone 1 started pulling out of its outbreak while Zone 5 got worse. Up until then I'd been willing to consider that the earlier outbreak in Zone 5 might be just a fluke of bad luck.
 
 
George Allen
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: lol.
Hardly any cases on our side of the bridge. Blaming Quebec residents is very dishonest when you have absolutely no evidence. Blame yourselves for not following the rules.
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @George Allen:
As we have virus at both major points of ingress the reality seems to be otherwise.
 
 
George Allen
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: None in Edmundston though. More people cross in Edmundston for work related travel from higher population areas of Quebec. This is NBers being irresponsible, plain and simple. When I'd go over to Campbellton I'd see people hanging out everywhere. Over here, people still stayed home for the most part, Quebec had mask rules in place for a long time and people followed the rules in every place I went. Campbellton was a free-for-all.
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: We don't though. Zone 4 has had a total of 8 cases since the start of the pandemic despite two crossing points from Quebec, but it's Zone 5 - also with two crossing points - that has the problem. One thing I'm noticing in yesterday's crossing data is that the Zone 4 crossings had more traffic (1,994 vehicles vs 1,502 in Zone 5), but Zone 5 had more *personal* traffic, 1,262 vehicles 705 in Zone 4). Anyone know if the "personal" traffic includes commuters?
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @George Allen: Gaspésie--Îles-de-la-Madeleine health region: 8.55 cases per 1,000 people since the start of the epidemic. NB Zone 5 health region: 4.95 cases per 1,000 people since the start of the epidemic.
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @George Allen: "Campbellton was a free-for-all." - So when you're walking around Campbellton observing the free-for-all, how can you tell who actually lives in Campbellton and who's there for the day from Quebec, either to work or to access services?
 
 
George Allen
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: You have absolutely no evidence the Campbellton outbreak was due to twinning with Quebec. None.
It's easy to know who is from Quebec and who is from NB when you have lived in an area for 40 years. License plates also help.
Drive by Tim Hortons and there is one Quebec plate and the rest are NB, people sitting across the tables from each other with no masks. Nobody following bubble rules, having big parties and gatherings. I live here, I see it. Then an outbreak happens so they blame Quebecers because they need to blame someone, can;t be their fault.. no no no.
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @George Allen: Okay, George, if you've lived in the Campbellton area for 40 years, you tell me: why would people there behave differently from people anywhere else in NB, including people in the Edmundston area? Because what the case figures are telling us is that something's happening in Zone 5 that's different from any other zone. Now maybe there's something in the water in Zone 5 that makes people there behave differently, but that's not the first explanation that comes to mind. I'm not "blaming" anyone. I'm looking to see what the data tells me.
 
 
George Allen
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: They weren't following the rules. Acting like it was over. Some folks caught it somewhere and spread it. Where did they catch it? Nobody knows and you can't blame people for keeping quiet about it after what happened last time. Blaming people instead of the virus. Nb is famous for it.
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @George Allen: Blaming the virus doesn't do any good because the virus is basically a bit of DNA in a protective coating. No ears to hear blame, to brain to process what it hears. The virus is not going to change its behaviour. If we want to put a lid on this outbreak, we need to change human behaviour by applying restrictions. Logically, if we're putting Zone 5 back into phase 5 - lockdown - we ought to lock down the Zone completely by closing its two border crossings as well.
 
 
Mary Smith
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Sarah, you talk a big talk for someone so vocally opposed to proactive measures like masks in public, acting as if the pandemic was over, and suggesting NB only act reactively AFTER outbreaks and community spread is happening. In a pandemic you have to be proactive, not reactive, and NB was and is being reactive. Other provinces stepped up their policies and we were and still are slack with ours when compared to our neighbours. So many people - you included - proclaimed as loudly as you could that there was no threat in NB and we should only act after outbreaks or community spread happen. We were never an island, our policies were slack, outbreaks and community spread were a matter of when not if. Too many people wanted the rules to not apply to themselves and to only be reactive. If no one wants to do their part, to have exemptions for themselves, then the rules apply to no one and they mean nothing. Policies in place and the actions of individuals matter. Vocal opposition to proactive measures hurts us all.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Jason Inness
"He promised you order, he promised you peace,
And he demanded of you was your silent, obedient, consent."
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Jason Inness: Whos to blame? 

"Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. I know why you did it. I know you were afraid. Who wouldn't be? War, terror, disease. There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your panic you turned to the now high chancellor"

Methinks Higgy proves on a daily bassi that the sheople always get the governments they deserve and the rest of us must suffer through it as well. Therein lies the rub N'esy Pas?
 
 
Jason Inness
Reply to @David Amos: Truth be told, I was not against temporary measures to control the spread. These temporary measures are becoming "the new normal", which I do not support. It is too easy to convince people to give away their freedom and fall in line.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Joe Rootliek
Good test for the Government of NB' to see whether numbers can come down, with social distancing, mask wearing, and the system of contact tracing.

If so, the economy can run and bring in taxes, and keep things going. We hope
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Joe Rootliek: Dream on
 
 
Terry Tibbs 
Reply to @Joe Rootliek:
As we have outbreaks at the 2 major points of ingress I wish you well in your experiment.
 
 
Joe Rootliek
Reply to @David Amos: We will see in a day or two.... I think they will... Are you a betting man...
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Joe Rootliek: Why would I bet on something I think is nonsense in the first place? I am telling you to dream on because the economy is going to take a nosedive That is something everybody is betting on whether they wish to or not..
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Joseph Carrier
Another two weeks will tell the tale if the Chaleur LSd, Belledune, the Lorne LSD or BNPP is next...60 km and its 100 communities have a lot of traffic...
 
 
Chuck Gendron 
Reply to @Joseph Carrier: Jeff they have already put the Chaleur and Lorne LSDs, and the "supervillage" Belledune into the Zone 5 restrictions, so just the BNPP area to go now.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Jake Quinlan
Did we ever hear source of Manoir in Moncton outbreak? I heard a story yesterday of how that happened from someone I deem credible.
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Jake Quinlan: The province has never specified a source and is unlikely to do so. There's certainly a story going around. Up to you whether you believe it or not.
 
 
Lou Bell 
Reply to @Jake Quinlan: They've confirmed they been able to trace the Moncton cases back to the sources and the spread . I suspect the people who tested positive in the north are not so forthcoming in giving the truth as to who and where their contacts are or where they're from
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Emery Hyslop-Margison
Trending in the right direction!
 
 
David Amos 
Reply to @Emery Hyslop-Margison: The worm always turns
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Emery Hyslop-Margison:
Until the next infected person waltzes through our front door with a so-called worker exemption................ then we get to participate in another round of blaming and shaming the citizens, when it's policy causing the problem.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Mary MacKenzie
Can someone get her a lawyer and threaten to sue the nursing home for her?
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Mary MacKenzie: That only works until someone else gets a lawyer and sues the same nursing home for endangering *their* senior family member.
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Mary MacKenzie:
As no one is being held in a nursing home against their will I don't think that will work.
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: I'm not so sure of that. People are placed in nursing homes because they're considered by their doctors to need a nursing home level of care. I was under the impression that get someone released from a nursing home - for example, to care for them in your own home - you had to present NB Social Development with an alternate and quite detailed plan of 24/7 care. So it could be that there are people in nursing homes who would rather not be there but who have no one who is both able and willing to put together such a plan and follow through on it.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks it depends on whether they have a legal guardian on not N'esy Pas?
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Mary MacKenzie: If this is about Edwina in the article it is amazing that the home does not simply allow her to wear a gown, mask / visor, and latex gloves, like they do in hospitals when there is a risk of contagion. As to a lawyer that would only put the home and its staff on guard and may negatively impact the patient.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Terry Tibbs
With 4, admitted, separate and independent sources (or origins) of the virus you have to question the sanity of blaming (and shaming) the sick folks, and question the policy that allowed so many sources in the community.
 
 
Steve Morningstar
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Policy is the same as it is in other parts of NB. This points to a large number of people just not following it..
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Steve Morningstar:
"The Policy" that might be sufficient in the rest of the province, is fubared next door to a highly infected neighbour (quebec), and it is plainly clear that it is fubared. It has been fubared right from the very beginning, it's just that our neighbour was not highly infected.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks we all should wonder why the Mayor of Belldune did not call me back as promised to finish our conversation yesterday after he talked to the NB Power people N'esy Pas?
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @David Amos:
While I don't have a clue as to what you are talking about, I can agree that Belledune is fubared, and likely to remain fubared.
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Steve Morningstar:
It's called uncontrolled points of ingress, hence the outbreaks in Campbellton, and Moncton. Up until now we have been lucky, but it is starting to look like the luck has run out, and without a major policy change we will be fubared.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Bigtime fubared
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @David Amos:
That was "the plan" all along.
 
 
SarahRose Werner 
Reply to @Steve Morningstar: Yes, the policy is technically the same. In all parts of NB, people are allowed to enter the province to do essential work here. However, no other part of the province has significant numbers of people entering on a daily basis from a highly infected area. In Zone 5, significant numbers of healthcare workers, teachers, etc. commute across the border daily from Quebec. Furthermore, the same zone provides essential services to at least two communities in Quebec, and people have been allowed to continue to access these services.

Up until recently, this appeared to be something that could be allowed. We got through the first wave March-May, we got through the Zone 5 outbreak earlier this summer. The Avignon municipality directly across the border had low case numbers. But higher case numbers from other parts of Quebec spread into Avignon and now from Avignon they've started to spread into NB. It's time to close the Campbellton bridge until things are back under control on both in Avignon and in Zone 5, *despite* the hardship this will cause.
 
 
James Edward
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: it's Chinese Communist Party fault, they could have contained this in Dec/Jan. They didn't they should pay for this.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks it appears you will have to go you know where if you wish to read my reply to you N'esy Pas?
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @James Edward:
Your timing is a bit off there James. My eldest boy briefed the PMO on this back in early January, China knew back in last October/November.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks the plot thickens rather nicely. it seems that the Junkman knows more than he lets on. Yet his latest revelation tells me his son should know all about me versus the PMO and the PCO etc. However its hard telling not knowing for sure what the Crown will allow a son to tell his Father N'esy Pas?
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @David Amos:
Military.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Hence he has an oath to the Crown Trust Justice Webb whom I argued in the Federal Court Appeal judged that oath sticks to your son until he is pushing up daisies. i used his own judgement against him. When Webb asked me who wrote it I smiled as I informed him that he did. Go Figure why i study my foes when it s truly amazing to me how people can be that dumb and and sit on a bench and judge the rest of us. Political appointments are beyond ridiculous N'esy Pas?

P.S. If you wish to chuckle sometime check my work with the lawyer Mario Dion BEFORE he was ever the Ethics Commissioner now that is truly funny Indeed.
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: have you ever accomplished anything meaningful in your entire existence?
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Ray Oliver: Do you even exist?
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Ray Oliver: BTW For the longest time I thought you were G$ but I don't think that even that greedy bureaucrat is that dumb but then again nothing surprises me anymore. As i said many times you are the RCMP's problem not mine. i will sue their boss again because of their malicious harassment and false arrests and wiretaps etc. Your actions just help to prove the matter.

Methinks the arrest of Barry Winters in Edmonton years ago will eventually teach shills for the RCMP that cyberspace is no place to pick fight with real men with real names N'esy Pas?
 
 
Harvey York
Reply to @David Amos: better pump the brakes on the spinach there Popeye
 
 
 David Amos
Reply to @Harvey York: You and you RCMP pals forgot that Yogi has nothing on me
 
 
Harvey York
Reply to @David Amos: well since you put it that way, I guess there's not much left to do but sit back and wait for the train wreck. Should be fun
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Harvey York: Methinks everybody knows you won't miss it because you are one of the RCMP shills riding the gravy trian N'esy Pas?
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Harvey York:
PS. AFTER ALL WHAT KIND OF MEN HAVE ALL DAY, ALL NIGHT AND EVEN WEEKENDS TO TEASE ME IN CYBERSPACE IF THEY WERE NOT PAID TO DO SO???
 
 
Harvey York
Reply to @David Amos: what kind of men have all day, all night and even weekends posting the garbage that you do? Don't answer that, we ALL know the answer
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: because you dominate this place with nothing but bragging and nonsense. You bring nothing to the table just jump on people. So.. how does it feel???
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @Harvey York: the couch surfing kind on social assistance or in a rubber room!
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: BINGO
 
 
George Allen
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Except you can't prove the Campbellton outbreak came from Quebec. Just trying to cause trouble and place restrictions on people for no reason. They can never completely close the bridge, the communities are tied together, people work and live on both sides.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @George Allen: Oh So True
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @George Allen:
Ok George, where did it come from?
After contact tracing there is supposed to be 4 separate and independent sources. As there was no covid 19 in the community a month ago it had to be imported.
So....................................
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Colin Seeley
Many are concerned about what they are not telling us? Like they don’t want to panic or upset.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Colin Seeley: Yea Right
 
 
Tim Biddiscombe
Reply to @David Amos: How many votes did you get? lol
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: Ask the RCMP
 
 
Stephan Sommers
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: FYI In 2019 he had 295 votes.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Stephan Sommers: Did the RCMP tell you?
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Stephan Sommers: While you Tiny Tim are having fun teasing me Perhaps you should ask the RCMP how votes i got in 2004 and the other five election in between and how and how many times i have been falsely arrested and harassed by mindless Keystone Kops in 3 countries (YES 3) since then and why I am preparing to sue the Crown 3 more times.
 
 
Stephan Sommers
Reply to @David Amos: Buddy I don’t care I just answered a question. Have a good weekend.
 
 
Stephan Sommers
Reply to @David Amos: 2004 - 358.
 
 
SarahRose Werner 
Reply to @Colin Seeley: I think they mostly don't want to panic or upset the Zone 5 folks who are likely to end up in phase red.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Stephan Sommers: You should i am naming you too
 
 
Carlson MacKenzie
Reply to @David Amos: Anyone want to hazard a guess as to what the first thing he is?
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Carlson MacKenzie: Methinks his first name alone is a rather telling thing in the Maritimes N'esy Pas?
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: name me please! Pick me! Pick me!!
 
 
Joseph Carrier
Reply to @Stephan Sommers: Which I think was .05 per cent...Man's like a church - bats in the belfry...He has been blocked more times on the CBC message boards they changed their rule limiting the amount of times he can be blocked...
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Joseph Carrier: So says a mindless out of work Irving spin doctor whom i spoken with in the past Yet he just changes his ID and still keeps begging to meet me in person Maybe I will oblige him if the RCMP and you other buddies will hold our coats as we duke in out Crown property should I call them again to give them the heads up or just email them?
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Ray Oliver: Already done Funny your RCMP buddies didn't tell you
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: you'll get nowhere. As always. Keep digging!!
 
 
David White
Reply to @David Amos: Falsey arrested? for impersonating a politician?
 
 
David White
Reply to @Stephan Sommers: 358? If only he could win Florida... that would change everything :)
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @David White: Bingo each time i was falsely arrested your favourite political party was behind the malice and clearly you now it
 
 
Harvey York
Reply to @David Amos: falsely? I can see it happening once, twice is a stretch, but three times? C'mon man. Should have kept your nose clean dude
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @David White: Trust that i can name many members of the RCMP who were involved in the false arrests and harassment I have no doubt that every one was a card carrying member of your favourite political party. Methinks there was something wickedly righteous about one of the more hot headed ones who could not even win a seat as the latest leader of Canada's so called natural governing party N'esy Pas?
 
 
Harvey York
Reply to @David Amos: I think we'll just chalk it up to bad things happening to bad people
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
David Amos
Hmmm
 
 
Lou Bell
Reply to @David Amos: Tell us your full story . We only get the side YOU want us to hear . Maybe be transparent and tell BOTH sides . Trump does the same thing !
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: YOU IS THE PERSON DUMB ENOUGH TO BE YOUR LAWYER? TRUST THAT I WANT TO ARGUE THAT WACKO IN FRONT OF A JUDGE
 
 
Tim Biddiscombe
Reply to @David Amos: Why all the shouting? You seem to be a very angry man, N'esy Pas?
 
 
Tim Biddiscombe
Reply to @David Amos: Methinks you arent changing anyone's mind here, N'esy Pas?
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: You should know as well as I that is an understatement. I believe you went High School with little Lou's hubby and no doubt you were pals..

Methinks if you wish to continue to play dumb introduce me to your lawyer and have that wacko ask your cop buddies in Fat Fred City why i am mentioning you tr o lls in my next lawsuit That is if your lawyer don't already know me Nesy Pas?
 
 
Baba Ganoush
Reply to @David Amos:
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: I've seen the transcript of some of your great arguments. Go way off the map tying names of people halfway across the country that have no skin in the game.. its awesome!!!
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Ray Oliver: BS
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Ray Oliver: I bet Baba is another one of your many Ids
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Baba Ganoush: Yo Baba say Hoka Hey to the Keystone Kops for me will ya?
 
 
Harvey York
Reply to @David Amos: pretty sure if Crazy Horse was still alive, he'd likely take offense to someone of your type using his words
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: so you took a little time off bounty hunting to do a little shilling..
 
 
Harvey York
Reply to @David Amos: trust that I don`t trust what you`re asking me to trust. Pics, or it never happened  
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @Harvey York: trust that he hopefully doesn't even believe what he types.. its nice to dream!

 

 

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/campbellton-region-sees-increased-law-enforcement-presence-1.5775926 

 

Campbellton region sees increased law enforcement presence

'I think it's more to show how serious the situation is right now'

 

Alexandre Silberman · CBC News · Posted: Oct 24, 2020 6:10 PM AT

 


There is an increased law enforcement presence in the Campbellton region this weekend as the area grapples with a COVID-19 outbreak. (CBC)

People in the Campbellton region reported a more visible law enforcement presence on Saturday, as officials increased efforts to stop the spread of COVID-19 in the area,

Members of the RCMP and peace officers with the Department of Justice and Department of Public Safety are monitoring the area this weekend for compliance with orange-level restrictions.

Spokesperson Const. Hans Ouellette said the public can expect to see officers in the region over the next few days.

"We're certainly focusing on education and engagement to limit the spread of COVID-19," he sai


The #RCMPNB will be monitoring Zone 5, Campbellton region with Department of Justice and Public Safety peace officers over the next few days to help contain COVID-19. Remember to social distance, wear a facemask and avoid non-essential trips.

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 3:14 PM · Oct 23, 2020

Coreen Enos, a spokesperson for Public Safety, said an additional 30 peace officers are in the area to help RCMP and WorkSafeNB.

Enos said officers are watching for mask use and inspecting businesses for compliance with the mandatory orders.

Luc Couturier, the president of Campbellton's downtown business association, said the RCMP presence was visible on Saturday. 

"They're going around town, they're going in businesses, checking our operation plans for COVID," he said.

Couturier, who owns Café Chez Wes, said visits have taken place everywhere from the soup kitchen to car dealerships.

"I think it's more to show how serious the situation is right now," he said.


Luc Couturier is the president of Campbellton's downtown business association. (Radio-Canada)

Dr. Jennifer Russell, New Brunswick's chief medical officer, was also in the region on Saturday.

Alysha Elliot, a Public Health spokesperson, said Russell arrived in the Campbellton area on Friday to meet with community leaders at the regional health authorities. 

Couturier said he's glad Russell will be able to "see for herself" that most businesses have been following Public Health guidelines.

"Maybe the problems were coming from household reunions, parties, stuff like that, people putting their guards down," he said.

About the Author

Alexandre Silberman is a reporter with CBC New Brunswick based in Fredericton. He can be reached at alexandre.silberman@cbc.ca

With files from Gary Moore

 

 

 

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David Amos  
Methinks the sheople are relishing the government they deserve N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
June Arnott
The sad thing here is that nbers doesn’t care for others. This is not a police state as the fear mongers want you to believe. If everyone wears a mask, a simple thing to do to stop the spread, this would not be needed.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @June Arnott: Yea Right
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Bill Henry
“Maybe the problems were coming from household reunions, parties, stuff like that, people putting their guards down," No, not possibly coming from the businesses that aren’t following the guidelines....lol
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Bill Henry
And that right there is why we need police to enforce such simple rules. Even the head of downtown business development in zone 5 is happy that “most” of the businesses are following the guidelines. That is incredible to read. They are on the verge of going red, need police to tell them to wear a mask, and this guy doesn’t even get the seriousness of his situation, and thinks businesses are doing great.
 
 
June Arnott
Reply to @Bill Henry: no empathy and not smarts there
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Bob Homme
Good lord, the tin foil hat, general anti-government and lack of general knowledge people seem to swarm to these articles like Bees to honey.
 
 
Carroll Cameron 
Reply to @Bob Homme:
Nailed it!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Rob LeBlanc 
Why the soup kitchen? Plain old bullies, from Blaine on down.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Bill Henry
Terry, your posts are sounding like A mos. turn on the television, and get some other opinions.
 
 
Gerald Celente
Reply to @Bill Henry: "Turn on the television" Well stated.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Georges Saint Yves 
Could someone tell me if the face mandate is the law or an order?
 
 
JOhn D Bond
Reply to @Georges Saint Yves: Believe it is an order via the Emergency Act that was created in the 1867/1982 Constitution.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Kris Boucher
So this is the main thing that people are not talking about, especially government officials and experts who avoid answering the question all together. An that is if the virus is so virulent, why are there more recoveries than fatalities?. There is no know vaccine or cure as of yet, so there is only thing that can be happening here the human immune system is taking care of business. So if a healthy immune system is doing the job, why is the government forcing people to shelter in place?. The people who are most vulnerable should be the ones under tighter restrictions, the rest of us should be able to contribute to society whether we are deemed essential or not. Only when we are in close proximity of those with a compromised immune system should the stringent requirements be followed.
 
 
sandy mechefske
Reply to @Kris Boucher: We are shutting down the normal lives of up to 60 per cent of the population and the leisure time of 90 per cent of the population out of an exaggerated concern for only two per cent of the population who are in fact seriously vulnerable to this illness.
 
 
Bill Henry
Reply to @Kris Boucher: you think our hospital system is in bad shape now. Overwhelm it and check back in. NB cannot afford not to mitigate. Because a minority of those in zone 5 are too selfish to follow the rules, Higgs has been forced to play hardball, to save all of NB from very dark days ahead.
 
 
JOhn D Bond
Reply to @sandy mechefske: So what would you suggest, if 2% of the population are seriously vulnerable that would mean 156,000,000 people world wide. So we should sit back and let nature take its course and wipe out that many people? As a comparison WHO estimates that 650,000 people succumb to the flu annually. A bit of a difference.
 
 
Bill Henry
Reply to @JOhn D Bond: well, the planet is over populated...just sayin
 
 
JOhn D Bond
Reply to @Bill Henry: True but we always try for the humane approach, protect those that cannot protect themselves....
 
 
Bob Homme
Reply to @sandy mechefske: So you deem 15,537 New Brunswickers expendable?
 
 
Paul Miller
Reply to @Bill Henry: have you driven across Canada. Not overpopulated in the least. Nor do I agree with all the restrictions. And yes, people will die. 7,400 in NB this year of actual causes...
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @sandy mechefske: Well put
 
 
JOhn D Bond
Reply to @Paul Miller: Nice deflection redirect to other causes and not what the issue that is being dealt with.
 
 
Carroll Cameron
Reply to @Bob Homme:
There are probably a couple on here who would really like to say that, but, have wisely chosen the sound of Crickets.
 
 
Kris Boucher
Reply to @Bill Henry: overwhelm with what zero cases in Bathurst and other communities. In order for an immune system to do its job
 
 
Kris Boucher
Reply to @Kris Boucher: In order for an immune system to do it’s job properly it has to be exposed to germs an viruses, that’s scientific fact. You think this virus is bad wait till there is a super bug, your flimsy mask won’t save you there. I wear a mask because I have to, but when I can I breathe mask free fresh air. Love the protocols that say wear a mask to a restaurant but as soon as your seated take it off, like if there was a virus that was so virulent at the front of the restaurant but none at your table lol.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Gerry Ferguson
what are they doing? driving around making sure people stay in their houses? Crazy
 

Tamara MacMillan
Reply to @Gerry Ferguson: They were at local businesses giving fines for not wearing masks. I heard that some people got some hefty fines.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Gerry Ferguson: Yup
 
 
June Arnott
Reply to @Gerry Ferguson: they aren’t in the Moncton area busting criminals in the night, that’s for sure
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Bill Henry
Pretty bad we need police to make us follow even a few simple rules to save lives and jobs. Thankfully we have the police. Too bad humans weren’t selfless, good people, so we could have less police and use the money elsewhere, but that isn’t how humans are wired. A lot of our tax money goes to keeping the rest of us safe from people who just can’t follow the norms of society.
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Bill Henry:
I see you are drinking the Kool-aid. Probably easier than admitting you are being "played".
 
 
Gerald Celente
Reply to @Bill Henry: So are you saying you are not a human?
 
 
Bill Henry 
Reply to @Gerald Celente: No, I am not saying that. You can reread, or I can try to explain again. Humans are wired in effect to go against the greater good. For a great majority, they still, however, follow the laws of society. For the rest, there is a need for police, which costs a tremendous amount of money.
 
 
Bill Henry
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: what is the game?
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Bill Henry:
In this case it is deflect and distract.
 
 
Gerald Celente
Reply to @Bill Henry: You did speak about how humans are wired, So it prompts my question... What if humans follow the rules of society mostly out of fear. Whether it's fear of public retribution, fear of going to jail or being fined, fear of death, fear of not going to heaven etc It's all fear based.
 
 
Bill Henry
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: I agree with you about essential workers not being made to self isolate. The problem right now is community spreadi and the people of zone 5 aren’t following the rules to get the outbreak snuffed out. A person can’t blame a trucker, or whatever the case may be, that brought the virus in, for being the reason they won’t wear a mask and stay 6 feet apart. That argument seems a little selfish. Someone brought the virus in, so in retaliation I’m not going to wear a mask or physically distance myself from others. That just proves my other point. We need police because people are wired to say the heck with everybody else.
 
 
sandy mechefske
Reply to @Bill Henry: s as Humana, we’re not wired for the greater good? Seriously? So then you’re saying that the government is not Guam because they’re definitely not acting on behalf of THE GREATER GOOD, and they’re certainly not selfless.
 
 
Bill Henry
Reply to @Gerald Celente: i think that is exactly why people follow the rules. If I have to go to Costco today, I would like to get there as fast as I can, at a speed I consider I can handle, but out of fear of getting a ticket, I’m going to drive the speed limit, which is why we need police.
 
 
Bill Henry
Reply to @sandy mechefske: Higgs actS for the most part for the greater good.
 
 
JOhn D Bond
Reply to @Gerald Celente: Or that many understand this thing call civil responsibility and in a free society one needs to follow the rules that prevent us as a society from slipping into anarchy.
 
 
JOhn D Bond
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: I have to ask, from some of the posts it is clear that you believe Higgs is the issue. Fine but do you think that he and he alone is making all the rules and decisions on everything that is being done within the pandemic. If so that would make him be some sort of genius given the results that NB had from March to September. Or am I misreading.
 
 
Gerald Celente
Reply to @Bill Henry:This is not supposed to be feudalism, or fascism, or totalitarianism - isms are never good. In a free and democratic society, which Canada professes to be The people should not fear the government but the government should fear the people.
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Bill Henry:
Masks don't work Bill. They don't work in Ontario. They can't work here. If they were effective then "the flu" shouldn't be an issue, should it? Stop and *think*, why are they pushing the flu shot, if masks are effective? They have mandated masks, yet by their actions, they are admitting they don't work.
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Bill Henry:
Hint: politicians act only in one interest, their own, they care very little for you and I.
 
 
JOhn D Bond
Reply to @Gerald Celente: That is nonsense. There is a difference between fear of a government and respect for rules or concern that you will be penalized when not following the rules. North Korea or China would be examples where citizens are afraid of the government. What we have here is people mistaking freedom as being free from any type of oversight which is not something that was every promised or considered in the Charter or Constitution.
 
 
sandy mechefske
Reply to @Bill Henry: We are shutting down the normal lives of up to 60 per cent of the population and the leisure time of 90 per cent of the population out of an exaggerated concern for only two per cent of the population who are in fact seriously vulnerable to this illness. How is that THE GREATER GOOD?
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @JOhn D Bond:
Mr Higgs is running a one man show in this province. In regards to covid 19 response he is just following federal guidelines blindly, without accessing the local situation, and modifying those guidelines to fit the local situation. No thinking involved, because if there is one thing he is not, it would be a genius, he has had luck on his side, but luck changes, and we are witnessing that, unfortunately some of us will have to live through it.
 
  
Bill Henry
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: I’m glad you brought this up Terry. Since I’ve been here a short time, I don’t know you, but I “ feel” like you are an educated person who has an interest in following the news. A person doesn’t have to be formally educated, obviously,but again,I don’t know you. Coming up to the election, I read all of your posts, because you had what I considered good reasonable posts. You obviously read and watch television because you were right on top of all the issues. For Covid, I can take it or leave it. I tune in a couple of times a day to see what is happening and if the scientists have found anything new etc. Just by tuning in like that, I have probably read or watched on television 1000 times about masks. Considering that, I’m guessing you are on top of masks as well.

For the life of me, I cannot understand your take on masks. It is almost to the point of ridiculousness. What are you missing? I will quote Sarah W here. “ We've been told over and over that non-medical masks don't protect the wearer, they protect the people around the wearer. So if those 70%-85% have been hanging out in close contact with the other 15%-30% who don't wear masks, yes, they could be infected. This is why physical distancing is still important.“
 
 
sandy mechefske
Reply to @JOhn D Bond: New Brunswick is not unique. Despite the strictest measures exacted by various governments around the world, a virus will do what a virus does. Our mitigation’s are only delaying the inevitable. Places lockdown, and people wear masks and isolate and die of loneliness, but then when the powers say that “we’ve beat it- the virus is gone”, so we cheer and open up, then boom- it comes back. It never left.
 
 
sandy mechefske
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: we all know masks don’t work- they’re simply a symbol of our compliance- a symbol that shows each other that ‘we care about you’, a symbol that shows’ we’re all in this together’, and a way to turn us against each other. It’s purely emotional,.
 
 
JOhn D Bond
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: I guess that is where we would disagree on one point. I would agree that he is not a genius far from it. But he is smart and he understands the importance of having others make decisions that if / when they go south he can distance himself from, which is what all politician's typically do.
But Dr Russell is providing the guidance based on input, experience from her colleagues across the country and the feds. Higgs is not making those decisions.
 
 
Bill Henry
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: of course they act in their own interest. Card didn’t build a school in his own backyard because of any other reason then to get re-elected. Ut once he gets done lining his own pockets, you would hope he gets something done for “the greater good”
 
 
Gerald Celente
Reply to @JOhn D Bond: I happen to think that one must maintain the spirit of an anarchist in order to help secure the balance between over zealous politicians and fascism. Blindly following rules out of fear is not the way to go.
 
 
sandy mechefske
Reply to @JOhn D Bond: so why is a medical professional deciding economic policies, and business? She should stick to medicine, pass her opinion along, and the politicians should weigh everything, and make decisions accordingly. It should not be based all on medicine. There are other important factors that need to be weighed equally.
 
 
JOhn D Bond
Reply to @sandy mechefske: Nonsense, masks mitigate you from spreading most of the vapour droplets that are expelled when a person talks or yawns or sneezes or coughs. No one ever said they would protect the wearer from contracting something. They are part of a defensive strategy and by themselves don't work.
 
 
Gerald Celente
Reply to @JOhn D Bond: Well obviously I don't hold any monopoly on nonsense
 
 
Bill Henry
Reply to @sandy mechefske: No sir, we aren’t doing that, we are doing all that you say because a minority of people in zone 5 refuse to follow the rules, and we as a society don’t want 100% shut down if it is allowed to continue.
 
 
JOhn D Bond
Reply to @Gerald Celente: I would agree that blindly following out of fear is a recipe for disaster. But that is not what is happening here except among the minority that wants to sow seeds of dissension.
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Bill Henry:
I do not own a TV set.
My *take* on masks is this: we had 0, zero, none, community spread without masks. Covid 19 was eradicated completely from our communities. The ONLY way for covid 19 to get into our communities was/is if we were to invite it in by negligent public policy. Enter Mr Higgs, who decided to trade our safe communities for wearing a mask (which is proven ineffective).
I resentfully wear a mask when out, though I am not sick with anything besides poor government acting in their own interests and not those of my friends and neighbors, or the fools who elected them.
 
 
JOhn D Bond
Reply to @sandy mechefske: Wow have you ever heard of Cause and Effect? You might want to look it up if you haven't. If rules from a medical perspective are required to help mitigate the spread of a disease result in a change to the day to day function of society what happens? Governments attempt to identify the effect and the subsequent new cause and mitigate that before it gets out of hand. So it is not the medical expert that is shutting down the economy, it is the governments based on the advise of the medical and scientific community.
 
 
Gerald Celente
Reply to @JOhn D Bond: How is it you claim to know the motivation of the dissenters? Are you not just superimposing your own ideals onto them and drawing a conclusion?
 
 
sandy mechefske
Reply to @JOhn D Bond: you’re quick to regurgitate the government propaganda that has been shoved down our throats for months, but there are no actual studies that prove they help for Covid. If my mask protects you, then why wouldn’t it also protect me- it’s only one way fibres? Ridiculous. If you seriously think they do anything at all, then why is it that the places that have had the strictest masks mandates since April, are seeing soaring numbers? Because we cannot control the movement- the natural progression of a virus. To think we can, is naive and arrogant.
 
 
Bill Henry
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: it seems fairly local to me. Zone 1 is back to yellow after being orange. Higgs is pulling out all the stops trying to keep zone 5 from going the wrong way. Every other zone in yellow. Thankfully we have Higgs thinking things through, and getting zone 5 back on track. Sometimes people are too stupid to help themselves, so government has to force it. Ie, the seatbelt rule.
 
 
JOhn D Bond
Reply to @Gerald Celente: I don't think so. When I go out I see the vast majority of people going along with the requests. I see people take a step back when someone encroaches on the 6ft distance and back up quickly if that happens to be one of the few that are not wearing a mask.
Also it is not about ideals, our society, the Charter and Constitution are based on rules of law. In order to have a free society we need to have a set of rules that we all follow. By electing our governments we empower them to enact, invoke, modify those laws. Here in this case we see a minority / dissenter perspective disagreeing with the mandates/ rules the government is applying. That is fine if it is done in a constructive way. But not adhering to those rules is not acceptable. Take the government to court, form a political party and run in the next election. But you can't just say I won't go along because I am a free person.
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @JOhn D Bond:
Higgs has been acting with the federal playbook as a guide and has been extremely lucky. He is not interested in listening to anyone as he now has his majority. I believe his luck is running out and I urge you to pay close attention.
 
 
Bill Henry
Reply to @sandy mechefske: yes but you manage it,so we don’t become Italy and see death like a war zone. You think our hospital system is poor now??? Overwhelm it by not following the rules and check back in.
 
 
JOhn D Bond
Reply to @sandy mechefske: Well that sums up as best as I could ever the concept of someone that is ill informed and espousing fake news. Thanks for proving my point.
 
 
Bill Henry
Reply to @sandy mechefske: read my post to terry.
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Bill Henry:
Don't count on it.
 
 
Bill Henry
Reply to @sandy mechefske: that is exactly what is happening.
 
 
JOhn D Bond
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Believe it or not, I believe you and I are much more on the same page with Higgs than it would appear. I also think is luck will run out. I just don't think it will be covid-19 specific. Rather it will be post covid-19 when the lack of a strategy puts us further down the rabbit hole.
 
 
Bill Henry
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: so your position is don’t try to manage the virus. Just shut the borders down. You know that isn’t reasonable. Higgs is between a rock and a hard place. Managing the virus is the lessor of two evils.
 
 
sandy mechefske
Reply to @Bill Henry: Italy? Seriously? No comparison- Lost in that panic is the fact that Italy in 2014 and 2015 had severe flu seasons where they had 50,000 people die. Italy- especially northern, has a very old population, and terrible air pollution. Northern Italy had a mild flu season in 2018/19, so many who would have normally died, stuck around for Covid, and were wiped out in addition to the normal deaths from the respiratory viruses.
 
 
sandy mechefske
Reply to @JOhn D Bond: what is your point? Instead of attempting to insult me, prove to me why I am wrong- use facts and data, instead of emotion- I am waiting...
 
 
sandy mechefske
Reply to @Bill Henry: the second you stated “thankfully for Higgs”” you lost me.
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Bill Henry:
You are being played and yet you don't see it
Zone this and zone that, who cares, Higgs traded our safe communities for wearing a mask. He has invited covid 19 into our safe communities and expected an ineffective mask to save his bacon. It's in the federal response playbook. He's not thinking, or modifying policy to fit our situation, and now that the federal response playbook is failing him (like it has failed EVERY other jurisdiction) he is shaming and blaming us for his shortcomings.
 
 
sandy mechefske
Reply to @Bill Henry: that’s the point- we can’t manage a virus- humans can come up with therapeutics and ‘vaccines’, to manage it, as you say, but these other measures do nothing but delay the inevitable. In the late 60s, 6 researchers at a British Antarctic base, all came down with sever cold symptoms. They got sick, in the middle of the Antarctic winter, after they had been isolated from all humans for 17 days. You can’t suppress a respiratory virus.
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Bill Henry:
No, shut the borders down to free range folks, you want in: isolate for 14 days. It is PERFECTLY REASONABLE, and quite doable.
 
 
sandy mechefske
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: i isolated for 14 days after returning from visiting my elderly parents in Ontario. It is doable- tough psychologically and physically, but doable.
 
 
Gerald Celente
Reply to @JOhn D Bond: Thanks for the thoughtful commentary but the thing is politicians cannot make laws which are unconstitutional. Premiers cannot act alone to put in place rules or laws which supersede the constitution. What is being done here is only occurring because of the "state of emergency". Even when there was no Coivid present here, this government still chose to keep the state of emergency. Why would they do that when they can invoke it anytime there is an actual emergency? I and many others are therefore forced to wonder, is this why travel from outside was never really stopped?
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @JOhn D Bond:
He won't last that long before everyone gets a good glimpse of "The Great And Wise Higgs".

On the vaccine front it is a 2 shot deal and needs renewed every 2 years.
 
 
JOhn D Bond
Reply to @Gerald Celente: I would generally agree. With exception to Mobility rights guaranteed within the constitution. The invocation of the Emergencies act provides clear authority in this situation to the government. Given all provinces and the Feds did the same thing it is an act in unison by Canadian governments in the face of an emergency.
In regards to mobility, the Supreme court of NFLD sided with the government in a recent decision brought forward by a civil liberties group on the Mobility clause. My sense is that all other provincial courts and the Supreme Court of Canada will also.
Covid-19 has never really stopped. It has been all around us. The controls put in place have aided us in keeping it at bay as long as we did. As to travel from outside, it is a classic situation of a lose lose approach.. If all external travel was stopped, then no food, medical supplies, other consumables we need to live would be available. Hence the exception for essential services. Similarly medical professionals makes some sense. For the rest I would agree they should have closed the door on those unless they self quarantine.
 
 
JOhn D Bond
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Where did you hear a 2 shot deal and biannual renewal? Haven't seen that yet.. ummm.
 
 
JOhn D Bond
Reply to @sandy mechefske: Well the facts are there just read them. The purpose of the mask is to prevent the wearer from spreading the virus if they are sick and don't know it. It was never intended to protect the wearer. Unless you are talking about specialty masks used in bio containment settings. So please educate yourself before making claims that are based on inaccurate and incorrect information.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Bill Henry
Most businesses are following have been following public health guidelines??? Sock the fines right to them. Education was done months ago.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Bill Henry: WOW
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Bill Henry:
You are making a fairly big assumption there Bill. What happens when it is found a majority have been following the rules? Will you be as quick to put the blame where it belongs? With a very flawed policy.
 
 
Bill Henry
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: that isn’t my assumption. “Couturier said he's glad Russell will be able to "see for herself" that most businesses have been following Public Health guidelines.”
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Bill Henry:
You are putting your *faith* in a government employee beholding to a politician (Mr Higgs) for a job? Make no mistake Dr Russell isn't calling any shots here.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Terry Tibbs
More blaming and shaming to cover up (or distract) from bad policy.
The numbers are through the roof in Ontario, quebec, and alberta, so instead of suspending the essential worker exemption from self isolating, we have to blame those sick. and police the heck out of them.
Good call Mr Higgs.
 
 
James Deer
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: I understand what you are saying about "suspending the essential worker exemption from self-isolating". What do you recommend that N.B. do about not having enough workers locally?

 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @James Deer:
I'm willing to bet that those employed will like to continue their employment, and will move, at least temporarily, I know I would.
Otherwise, I guess it's simply decision time........... either do without, or close.
 
 
JOhn D Bond
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Curious, would that apply to truckers, bring food, medical supplies, daily essentials, into the province or nurses and doctors that commute daily?
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks you know as well as i something rather special happened yesterday N'esy Pas? So why not just enjoy the circus as you gather evidence then take Higgy et al to court?
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @JOhn D Bond:
Truckers are different, as they do not free range in our communities, though, technically trucks have and are handed off daily to other drivers/teams.
I really don't care about nurses/doctors who choose not to reside where they work and neither do they by not residing where they work. We certainly are not strangers of the closing, at the drop of a hat, of the hospital in Campbellton, in fact it has become a joke.
 
 
JOhn D Bond
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Don't think there is anything funny about the hospital closing in Campbellton, rest assured it happens elsewhere to for many reasons. That said, given our constitutional rights of mobility, the drastic shortage of medical professionals in the province, I differ in view on medical professionals.
The shortage of these folks is due to abysmal mismanagement by successive governments in NB not paying enough and or making it difficult to practice relative to other
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @JOhn D Bond:
We are being "risk managed", someone has decided we need covid 19 more than secure borders, yet they attempt to cover their tracks by deflecting blame to the citizens of NB.
If you are blind to the "game" I certainly can't help you.
 
 
JOhn D Bond
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Of course we are being risk managed, that is the role of government. They do it day in day out and have since governments first started. Whether that is clean water, snow removal, hospital capacity, schools or teachers or nuclear power or taxes. Everything is about risk management. I guess our difference is that I believe that given the circumstances that what is being done is good generally. Shutting out those essential workers will add another layer of harm to NBers ...
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @JOhn D Bond:
I happen to think you are wrong, dead wrong.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks Higgy et al know for a fact that their spin doctors are wrong but they will never admit it N'esy Pas?
 
 
Gerald Celente
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Indeed this is a recurring problem. "None are so blind as those who refuse to see"
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Gerald Celente:
I am reminded of the movie: Groundhog Day.
 
 
Gerald Celente
Reply to @JOhn D Bond: This is governance by ego. The two most prominent politicians in this game - Higgs and Cardy wanted to be in these positions so badly they came from other political parties to do it. Ask yourself this, what could possibly be driving these individuals? The answer you will find in the first two sentences of this comment
 
 
Gerald Celente
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Except in that movie bill Murray's character took the opportunity to learn and better himself. I don't see this happening here.
 
 
sandy mechefske
Reply to @James Deer: essential workers are a small fraction of the population- they should force them (drs, nurses), as part of the state of emergency, mandate that they are all housed and fed in large institutions- hotels etc. And until the state of emergency ends, they have to live here, and self isolate when not at work. If they want to visit family outside of the province, their family either comes here, and self isolates for 14 days, before they meet up, or the emergency worker must self isolate in a detention centre in NB for 14 days before they return to work. For truckers, same thing. And people that live here and work outside of the province, they must self isolate when then return- no more exemptions. Think of the greater good.
 
 
James Deer
Reply to @sandy mechefske: I was only asking how Terry was proposing to deal with this predicament.
But let's talk about your solution. Are you expecting to do the same for each and every future pandemic or emergency (there will be more)?
 
 
James Deer
Reply to @James Deer: This is starting to sound like an Immigration issue.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Me Too
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Wally Manza 
secure the area, shut 'er down, impose curfew, suspend all exemptions. Nobody in, nobody out. Food and vital supplies moved and distributed by Canadian armed forces personal.
 
 
Buford Wilson
(That’s not realistic, Wally.)
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Buford Wilson: Methinks none of this is but your hero Higgy's circus goes on and on and on N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Michael John
sad to see NB becoming a police state
 
 
Jonathan Steeves
Reply to @Michael John: What’s crazy is that people want that.
 
 
Terry  Tibbs
Reply to @Michael John:
No money for health care, but we have lots of money for police, anyone else see something wrong with the vision Mr Higgs has for NB?
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Michael John: Methinks if you parked at Tims in Sussex orHampton to partake of their coffee and donut you had just bought then you may have got a big ticket from the RCMP. Trust that many folks living in his stomping grounds know for a fact that the Keystone Kops and his so called "Peace Officers" who patrol in Fundy Royal enjoy making you well aware that Higgy's Police has been in full effect since last spring N'esy Pas?
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: Did you get a first hand view of the incident while you were crawling out of the Timmy's dumpster with a bag of "fresh" donuts?
 
 
Carlson MacKenzie
Reply to @Ray Oliver: He can't get a view of anything due to the location of his head.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Carlson MacKenzie: Say hey to your hero Higgy for me will ya?
 
 
sandy mechefske
Reply to @Jonathan Steeves: YESSSS!
 
 
June Arnott 
Reply to @Michael John: sad to se nbers not caring for others.
 
 
June Arnott 
Reply to @sandy mechefske: sad to see you don’t care about others
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
JOhn D Bond
If increasing visibility of police and enforcement officers results in the curve flattening and helps get Campbellton out of Orange and back to Yellow this is a really good thing. Hopefully just the presence will motivate people to follow the rules and fines or other forms of escalation will not be necessary.
Should only take a week to find out if it works, lets hope it does.
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @JOhn D Bond:
No money for health care, but lots of money for police. If you can't see something wrong with this picture you must be blind.
 
 
Sidney Hamilton 
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: you fail to realize that it's far cheaper usually to prevent a disease than it is to treat it. Especially if there is no known cure.
 
 
JOhn D Bond
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Pretty sure this is not an issue of health care accessibility.More about soft or positive reinforcement for the folks in Campbellton to follow the guidelines than anything else.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks fancy people call it cognitive dissonance these days but its just plain dumb N'esy Pas?
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Sidney Hamilton:
And apparently it's easier and cheaper to blame and shame the citizens than it is to properly change your policy so covid 19 isn't waltzing through our front door.
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @JOhn D Bond:
I'm CERTAIN that current government policy is allowing covid 19 to waltz through our front door, so it is an issue of health, rather than blaming and shaming the citizens of this province. In a grand show of doing something (and accomplishing nothing) those in charge are wasting money on policing that would be better spent ANYWHERE else.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
michael levesque 
what was the name of the coffee shop before it was named chez wes?
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @michael levesque: Nobody cares
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: Good one! You got him there! Obviously he cares.. simple question. Did it harm you in any way for him to ask that?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Paul Miller
nanny state in full-effect.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Paul Miller: Everybody knows
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Bill Vasseur
Wow!! I bet you Tim's is busy!!!
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Bill Vasseur: Which one?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Les Cooper
Wonder why.
I do see a lot of Quebec vehicles coming into NB
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Les Cooper:
Now you are just being silly. The police are not there to observe that, they are there to observe, blame, and shame the citizens of NB. No money for health care, but lots for police. Good plan Mr Higgs.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Welcome back to the circus
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
June Arnott
Maybe we do need Covid, police will be around to bust those breaking into cars all over Moncton.
 
 
Theo Lavigne 
Reply to @June Arnott: The last time they had that many police in Campbellton they were watching for people who were coming over the bridge from Quebec with cheap beer lol... Ah the good old days...
 
 
Amajor Hall
Reply to @June Arnott: You've seen this happening all over Moncton!?!? Seriously you see this 'all over', where?!? Hyperbolic misdirection! Covid doesn't care!
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Amajor Hall: Methinks you as well as I what has been going on in Higgy's stomping grounds since last spring N'esy Pas?
 
 
June Arnott
Reply to @Amajor Hall: talking about the people breaking into cars, stealing cars. Real crime. And you are sT u p I d not to get that the first time
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Janice small
I have family in Campbellton and I miss them. Call it as you wish , Higgs is doing the right thing as it can get of control very quickly... Keep the borders locked and tough medicine but shutt down the Campbellton Quebec bridge.. It's a known fact the Gaspe is a breading ground for Covid 19 ...
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Janice small: I wonder how many businesses and services in Campbellton depend on workers who commute daily from the Gaspe, including healthcare workers and teachers? Shut the border down completely, you shut down those businesses and services as well. I agree that the border needs to be controlled more closely and that there need to be fewer exemptions to self-isolation.
 
 
Will Leeson
Reply to @Janice small: Campbellton, Listuguj, and Pointe a la Croix should be considered as one community in this situation, because that is the reality for people there. You may have family, but you might not have spent enough time there to get it. I’m from there, closing the bridge access is not a good solution.
 
 
Theo Lavigne 
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Janice Small don't care about people that live in Campbellton be it a relative or not. She don't care if businesses or services go under .She called the Belledune Power plante a dead Donkey, and wondered why Higgs should be doing anything for the North of the province since no one voted for him up here. She is probably wondering why they are doing testing up North as well...
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Will Leeson: For Listuguj and Pointe a la Croix to be treated as part of Campbellton in this situation, people entering these communities from other parts of Quebec would need to be treated as people entering New Brunswick.
 
 
Les Cooper 
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: health care workers should not be hoping borders. Especially in their job right now. Why are they not hiring nurses from NB that would love full time work??
 
 
Nick Carver 
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: We would need the full cooperation of the Quebec government and the provincial police force......not gonna happen
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Will Leeson: Methinks everybody knows Higgy don't care and never did because not many French folks vote for him N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Winston Gray
In before the people who claim this is a police state.
Newsflash - New Brunswick can’t afford a police state so how could it ever have one?
 
 
Les Cooper 
Reply to @Winston Gray: They cant afford to pay health care if covid runs rapidly thru Maritimes
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Winston Gray: Methinks you should rethink that N'esy Pas? 
  
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Winston Gray:
Newsflash: Maybe you got the memo, it seems Mr Higgs did not.

 

 

 

 

 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/province-reports-2-new-cases-of-covid-19-in-campbellton-region-1.5775796

 

Province reports 2 new cases of COVID-19 in Campbellton region

Mass testing for asymptomatic people available this weekend in Zone 5

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Lou Bell
Butter tarts are ready ! Dave , you've got 1st dibs , we all know how you love 'em !!!!!!
 
 
 
 
 
 
Lou Bell 
Those who wouldn't follow rules most likely wouldn't show up to be tested .
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Paul Butler
My money is on these people are not telling the truth as to where they have been and who they have met.That's why the government cannot connect 4 chains of infection.Typical behavior of......
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Paul Butler: Methinks you seem to be so certain that others would not tell the truth merely because it is something you would choose to do. Everybody knows its legal for the Keystone Kops to lie when they are talking to we the people whom they purportedly serve and protect N'esy Pas?
 
 
Paul Butler
Reply to @David Amos: You don't know me.....but I know you.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Paul Butler: Are you certain?
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @Paul Butler: Everyone knows him. When he's not keeping lawyers and bankers ethical and suing the pants off whoever he can, he's bounty hunting or other cool stuff. He's my hero
 
 
Michel Forgeron 
Reply to @Paul Butler: "of" what???
 
 
Lou Bell 
Reply to @David Amos: Maybe you can threaten to sue him ! We know it wouldn't happen , but it adds to the hilarity of your posts !!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Johnny Almar
In other news, flu cases down 95% since COVID-19 hit. So it’s seasonal flu with love from China and fake news. Ot does corona cure the flu?
 
 
Mark McGloin
Reply to @Johnny Almar: And I suppose you get your "real" news from Alex Jones, Breitbart and Rush Limbaugh? They seem credible.
 
 
Johnny Almar
Reply to @Mark McGloin: from the WHO but you go on thinking your nonsense. Breitbart is one of the most credible news sources out there. Thanks for acknowledging that. The others, no idea about them. OANN is an excellent news source too.

Trump is guaranteed to win so I’m going to be celebrating my President. Vote Trump.
 
 
Mark McGloin
Reply to @Johnny Almar: it is a credible news source if you are a right wing believer of everything but the truth.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Mark McGloin: Do you have the truth cornered?
 
 
Dan Stewart
Reply to @Johnny Almar: Not surprised you think Trump will win.. it fits with your other fantasies.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Dan Stewart: Methinks many Yankees agree that it is wise to a vote for the dubious dude they often refer to as "The Donald" because he is quite simply the lessor of two evils. Even the fans of the political lawyer whom the current President is running against must admit that the devil you know is always better that the devil you don't. Plus I doubt there are many folks on the planet who would believe anything a political lawyer would have to say about anything after he spent a lifetime becoming very wealthy gaming the system N'esy Pas?
 
 
Dan Stewart
Reply to @David Amos: Speaking of fantasy worlds, How are doing today Dave! On the topic of Trump yet again you Methinks incorrectly yet again.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Dan Stewart: We are far from friends Hence it is Mr Amos to you
 
 
Dan Stewart
Reply to @David Amos: Sorry, but not in here Dave.... within the realms of good taste of course...
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: Says the man who has tasteless nicknames for everyone on the planet, check your silly blog. You are a walking contradiction.

 
David Amos
Reply to @Dan Stewart: So be it Danny Boy However methinks your cohorts cannot deny your mindless Freudian Slip just now when you admitted you thought were wrong N'esy Pas?
 
 
Mark McGloin
Reply to @David Amos: That response tells me everything I need to know about how you view everything. If it doesn't benefit your ego, then everyone is wrong.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Mark McGloin: Methinks you should ask yourself that question first N'esy Pas?
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @Mark McGloin: anyone who uses methinks and nesy pas with everything is a tell tale sign of ego enough on its own.. look at me im soooo witty!!!
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: LOL.. Again speaking of Mindless, How are you doing today Dave? No Freudian slips that time.
 
 
Harvey York
Reply to @Ray Oliver: sorry I'm late to the party what did I miss?
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @Harvey York: Just Dave crying people some rivers. The usual
 
 
Harvey York
Reply to @Ray Oliver: oh bummer, was hoping he took his pills this morning and had something useful to say. Oh well, another day, another one of my dreams shattered
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @Harvey York: Don't Stop Believin'!!
 
 
Lou Bell  
Reply to @Johnny Almar: Will you still be around when he loses ? Doubt it . Johnny Almars " alter ego " will show up though !
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Matt Steele 
It sounds like " community spread " has hit the greater Campbellton /Dalhousie area ; hopefully they can get it under control as there seems to be very little to stop spreaders of the virus from travelling to other parts of the province . Christmas shopping season will be on the way soon , and spread could get introduced into the larger cities once people start to travel for shopping .
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
David Amos
Methinks the sheople are relishing the government they deserve N'esy Pas?
 
 
Johnny Almar
Reply to @David Amos: lol. Cray cray
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Johnny Almar: Methinks Higgy et al, their RCMP buddies and YOU know as well as I that Iread those EXACT words about me within the Encyclopedia Dramatica domain and complained of the malice in writing to the Federal Court of Appeal in Fat Fred City in 2016 N'esy Pas?
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: Pure coincidence. A common phrase. But you keep reaching and thinking we are all RCMP! Hahahah
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Ray Oliver: Say hey to Maddy and Chucky for me will ya?
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: BINGO
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: Who? BINGO! YAHTZEE! YOU SUNK MY BATTLESHIP!
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Ray Oliver: Methinks you just read my blog again N'esy Pas?
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: Nope. Strike Two!
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Ray Oliver: This is no game
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Ray Oliver: Phonelosesr have gone to jail
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Bill Henry
Once community transmission starts, only red will stop it. What more proof is required? We cannot afford to be in the red, so here we are; on the verge of all of NB heading up a steep curve.
 
 
David Peters 
Reply to @Bill Henry:
Nothing works harder than a virus does to spread itself.

https://www.aier.org/article/the-year-of-disguises/
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Bill Henry: Yea Right Have another butter tart.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Bill Henry
Are people just being normal selfish people or what is going on? Maybe the virus cannot easily be contained once it gets to a certain point. Is NB kidding themselves to think it eventually won’t erupt? I mean as bad as it is in Quebec and Ontario, they are developing some immunity with so many cases.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Bill Henry: Methinks you should ask your hero Higgy such questions N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Les Cooper
Liberal in the North. Cant be helping the Libs
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Les Cooper: Methinks thats par for the course for a former wannabe CoR Party Leader to play in the wicked game N"esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Fred Brewer
I am so sick and tired of all the whining and complaining I read about from people who don't like wearing masks and try desperately to convince themselves and others that masks don't work. If you don't want to wear a mask, then stay the blazes home!
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Fred Brewer: Cry me a river
 
 
Matt Steele
Reply to @Fred Brewer: ....There will never be 100% mask compliance ; so if people not wearing masks is of a great concern for you , it may be you who will have to stay the blazes home .
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Matt Steele: Good point for a dude who uses a local wannabe Elivs' name
 
 
Tom Campbell
Reply to @Matt Steele: I guess you don't live in the Campbellton area then.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Tom Campbell: Do You?
 
 
Fred Brewer
Reply to @Matt Steele: I think I hear some whining.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Les Cooper
The numbers don't show who had underlying problems before they got covid. Same as when the flu kills unhealthy people.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Les Cooper: BINGO
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Wally Manza
One thing we found out when experts crashed the global economy in 2007 and gave us $570 Trillion with a "T" in toxic derivatives to keep on the world's books, negative interest rates and sovereign bond yields which guarantee losses today, there is no such thing as a "expert". The response to the pandemic only proves it again. Shut down the economy...who came up with that one?
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Wally Manza:
They had 2 choices, either entirely cut off the country from the rest of the world, or attempt to manage it like they did.
I happen to think they made the wrong choice, but who am I to say, somebody in the future will have to figure it out for a history lesson.
 
 
JOhn D Bond
Reply to @Wally Manza: The so called experts you refer to are the Financial wiz kids on wall st. The MBA grad set that believe leverage is the only way. The Pandemic is different, the experts are scientists and medical professionals. Their collective track records make the financial services track record look like it would be equivalent of playing craps at a Vegas casino. So we do have Experts and then we have Guesstimators the financial services crowd.
For the who look back in history, look to steps taken to contain Ebola outbreaks. It is a tried and true approach, to isolate people to prevent/minimize spread. The economy was a casualty of the isolation.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Wally Manza: Methinks if you wish to know more about what you profess to know about 
the financial industry then you should check my work going back to 2000 before i sued US Treasury Agents in Beantown in 2002. Trust that Higgy et al know what I have done since then can be found in the public record on both sides of the Medicine Line we can't cross lately N'esy Pas?
 
 
Bill Henry  
Reply to @Wally Manza: they didn’t know what they were dealing with. Italian medical was overwhelmed with death. They lost a lot of medical personnel. Looking back with 20-20 vision, the schools shouldn’t have even been closed in NB. The government just wasn’t prepared for such a thing, so they shut everybody and everything down. Will go down as a very bad knee jerk reaction. Country is so far in debt, and a lot of Canadians lost their savings. Keeping people from their loved ones. PM publicly breaking his own rules, when it benefitted him. The list of bad decisions from the top down goes on and on.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Bill Henry: So you say
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Joseph Carrier
As traffic and parking is limited at the Inch Arran, please go early, be patient, and save a life by staying safe...so says The Gov
 
 
Rick Firth
Reply to @Joseph Carrier: How have you been Jeff? Where are you is my next question? lol
 
 
Joseph Carrier
Reply to @Rick Firth: All around brudda...Media company in Canterbury, author's association on Facebook, podcast channel on YouTube, retired from BNI after going blind on assignment as sports editor in Woodstock, social activist for the North Shore as former chair of the Chaleur LSD...You know, those old chestnuts...
 
 
Joseph Carrier
Reply to @Rick Firth: JJ Carrier on Facebook, JJ (Governor) Carrier is YouTube channel, N.B. Independent Authpr's Association on FB...Just passed 1,100 podcasts based on my old columns...
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Joseph Carrier: Methinks most folks in your neighbourhood consider you a joke N'esy Pas?
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: That coming from you is rich. But hey, your reputation isn't just in your neighborhood its far reaching!!!
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: Do you actually believe you're just that much smarter than the rest of us? With all those letters behind your name, oh... wait. Hahahah
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Ray Oliver: You tr o llish ways are also become well known because your slander of me
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: go cry to mommy
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: Methinks the irving Clan knows why we heard nothing but crickets in Canterbury last evening N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Becky Winthrope
Masks. Mask wearing should be mandatory everywhere. If eating, yes you can take it off, but while walking around the restaurant e.g. to go the washroom, put the mask back on.
Everyone has to do their part to #stopthespread
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Becky Winthrope: Mask wearing currently *is* mandatory in all indoor public places in New Brunswick, has been for the past 16 days.
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Becky Winthrope:
And how exactly will wearing a mask stop covid 19 spread from those not required to self isolate for 14 days?
 
 
Winston Gray
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: maybe those people will not spread it as much if they are forced to wear masks.

Seriously, it’s not that complicated, how do you not get it yet, it’s about “risk reduction” not “risk elimination”.
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Winston Gray:
Seriously? You actually believe that? Tell me this then: if masks work what is with wholesale promotion of the flu shot?
You shouldn't need a flu shot if everyone is wearing a mask, that is, if masks actually work.
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Nothing - not masks, not the flu shot, not anything else - works 100%. However, the more different types of protection you add together, the closer you get to 100%. I'm no fan of masks, but I'm wearing one in places where they're required. I don't usually get the flu shot, but this year's different, so I've booked an appointment to get one.
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: I agree that there ought to be fewer exemptions to the self-isolation rules.
 
 
Graeme Scott
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Nothing works 100% Think of it as a layered defense
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @SarahRose Werner:
I wear as required, but it sure has curtailed my shopping efforts, I no longer shop, I just hit and run.
I get ill from the flu shot.
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @SarahRose Werner:
Of course and it is the seeming inability of our government to swiftly change policy is what will infect more of us. I have been saying this for weeks as the infection mounts in the rest of Canada.
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Graeme Scott:
Not coming in contact with the virus works 100% last time I checked, and that is what our elected representatives should be striving for, but they are not.
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: If I'd gotten ill from the flu shot in previous years, I sure wouldn't get one either! I just usually don't bother because I hate getting shots and don't usually get flu anyway. As for masks, I've been doing the hit and run thing for the past few weeks. :-( I just acquired a couple of "singer's masks" that are much easier for me to wear a couple of days ago. Went to the Superstore yesterday and was delighted to find I could stroll rather than run. Still, I won't be going anywhere indoors for the fun of it until this mask thing is over. Groceries, pharmacy, bank, postal outlet - that's about it. Routine bloodwork and a vet visit for the cat next spring. Hope the cat doesn't need a mask as well, that would really be tricky!
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: It would work 100% if it could be achieved 100%. Unfortunately, there's this annoying thing called human nature. For example, even if more people are told to self-isolate and even if monitoring of people who are supposed to be self-isolating is increased, it's pretty much inevitable that some number of these people will try to get away without self-isolating and some number of those will be successful, at least long enough to infect others. Like I said, human nature.
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @SarahRose Werner:
No, there is this thing called "managed risk". Insurance companies use it to limit their pay-outs. Somebody has decided that it is ok to infect our communities, and blame us, instead of a bad policy, for any/all outbreaks.
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: I'm familiar with the concept of managed risk. It decreases risk. It doesn't eliminate it. That's why I think the number of self-isolation exemptions ought to be reduced, enforcement of self-isolation requirements should be tightened, we should wear masks when required to do so by the province, we should stay 6' away from others, we should wash our hands frequently *and* at least some of us who don't usually get flu shots might want to consider it this year. It's not an either/or thing, as in either the government decreases exemptions *or* we wear masks. I think the government should do what it can and each of us should do what we can (without beating ourselves up about the stuff we can't do; e.g. you or I wearing masks for extended periods). 
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @SarahRose Werner:
Instead of modifying the exemption rules they decided we all should wear masks.
Masks they even admit don't really work.
So, we penalize the many to benefit the few...............
Is democracy supposed to work that way?
I don't think so.
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @SarahRose Werner:
And they have the balls to blame (and shame) us when their little risk management game doesn't work.
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: I absolutely agree with you that, in addition to the masks, the government should also modify the exemption rules.
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: I must've blinked and missed the blame-and-shame part. When did this happen? What I heard was that contract tracing revealed that some people weren't following the rules in their workplaces and in their social interactions. They were, quite correctly, told to stop messing about and follow the rules.
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @SarahRose Werner:
Mr Higgs publicly said that the outbreaks were due to folks not following his rules, which we know, because we have seen, and they have admitted multiple sources.
You could blame the rules not being followed with only one source, but with multiple sources, you can't pin it on "not following the rules".
 
 
Garry Suits
Reply to @Becky Winthrope: they been mandatory here in Ontario for 100+ days now... look how well that working... time find something else
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Garry Suits:
They have got nothing else, other than blame and shame for the citizens, because their "great" policies aren't working.
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: You don't think that more than one person may have decided not to follow the rules? You have a more optimistic view of human nature than I do! Also, source is one thing, spread is another. An outbreak requires both - a source and then spread. One person who ought to be self-isolating but who isn't and who's wandering around the community is going to cause far less spread if everyone else stays 6' away from that person and washes their hands frequently in case they've touched anything that person has touched. That's why I say that everyone has a responsibility.
 
 
David Hunter 
Reply to @Garry Suits: Masking works quite well in Ontario, we started in February before they were required. Problems over the summer in Ontario involved people not wearing masks in crowded situations where physical distance not being practised. Infections were in the younger age group letting off steam after the late winter/spring lock down.
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @JoeBrown: It's not unknown for people to have bad reactions to flu shots as well as other types of vaccinations. Terry said he got sick. He didn't say he got sick *with the flu*. "Sick" in this context could simply mean that he felt unwell.
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: When other people try to blame me and shame me for stuff that's not my fault, I just blow them off. Other people can try to shame you, but you only feel ashamed if the shame gets into your own heart.
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @JoeBrown: Repeat: "sick" does not mean "sick with the flu." If I take an oral antibiotic for an infection and the antibiotic upsets my stomach severely, I might reasonably say that the antibiotic made me "sick" even though it didn't make the infection worse. This is an acceptable colloquial use of the word "sick."
 
 
JOhn D Bond:
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Curious what is there in life that is ever 100% except death and taxes.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @JOhn D Bond: The innocence of children
 
 
Pat Holland
Reply to @JoeBrown:
How come the CDC has said that 70-85% of those infected said they faithfully wore masks. Something doesn’t add up if that’s the case.
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Pat Holland: We've been told over and over that non-medical masks don't protect the wearer, they protect the people around the wearer. So if those 70%-85% have been hanging out in close contact with the other 15%-30% who don't wear masks, yes, they could be infected. This is why physical distancing is still important.
 
 
James Deer 
Reply to @Pat Holland: From the same study: "It is also true that mask-wearing levels were reportedly high (88.7%) among people who did not catch the virus."
 
 
Bill Henry
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: where have you seen that masks don’t work? Did A mos write that? Lol
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Bill Henry: Methinks you and the RCMP need to review my blog ASAP N'esy Pas?
 
 
Tom Campbell
Reply to @Becky Winthrope: Terry Tibbs: Muted
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Tom Campbell: Methinks my Forefathers were very wise to advise my Clan to never trust a Campbell However before you mute me too you should know that I have no doubt whatsoever that you are closely related to the not so clever beancounter David Campbell but you would deny it N'esy Pas?
 
 
Ray Oliver 
Reply to @David Amos: Your forefathers should've worn a condom
 
 
Ray Oliver 
Reply to @David Amos: Never trust a Campbell? You do know how stupid that sounds right? Are we back in medieval times?
 
 
Ray Oliver 
Reply to @David Amos: In NB alone via Yellow Pages there are 33 david campbells or d campbells you mo ron. Trust that you know they're closely related hahaha. See. Others can look up stuff too!!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Graeme Scott
"Public Health says the individuals are self-isolating and their cases are under investigation."
So, were they already self isolating due to potential exposure when they tested positive?.........or were they out and about in the community and only started self isolation after developing symptoms and/or getting the positive test results?
The story is unclear about this and I would think it makes quite a difference as to showing how things are going in Zone 5.
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Graeme Scott: This is the same language that's we've been hearing all along. I suspect that it's all that Public Health is willing to say.
 
 
Theo Lavigne
Reply to @Graeme Scott: Wouldn't that be the only time to self isolate after developing symptoms or after getting the positive test results ? I don't know where you are going with this....
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Theo Lavigne: Not necessarily. Self-isolation is often required as a precaution, for example for someone entering NB from another province who doesn't qualify for an exemption from self-isolating. If someone tests positive and they share a household with others, I think these other people might also be asked to self-isolate until they can be tested and the get the results? I'm not sure on this point - anyone else know?
 
 
Graeme Scott
Reply to @Theo Lavigne: No....If they do contact tracing and find people who have had close exposure to the virus I would think those people should be self isolating until they see if they become positive.
 
 
Denis LeBlanc 
Reply to @Graeme Scott: That's the way I understand it. There may be hundreds right now self isolating in Campbellton. All the close contacts of anyone that tested positive. From teachers to classmates, parents, siblings, etc. Those that test positive are quarantined. Those in isolation get tested if they develop a combination of symptoms. After the 14 days if they didn't develop any symptoms, they wouldn't be contagious anymore so would be safe. If they develop symptoms and test positive
they need two negative tests to be released from quarantine. You should check the NB website to make sure this is accurate.
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Graeme Scott: Agreed. Here's what I found on the GNB website:
"You must self-isolate if any of the following apply:
- you have been diagnosed with COVID-19, or are waiting to hear the results of a lab test for COVID-19
- you have been told by public health that you may have been exposed to COVID-19
- you have travelled outside the Atlantic bubble in the last 14 days
- you have two or more symptoms of COVID-19, even if mild:
-- fever above 38°C
-- a new cough or worsening chronic cough
-- sore throat
-- runny nose
-- difficulty breathing
-- headache" 
 
 
Dianne MacPherson
Reply to @Theo Lavigne:
I'd like to know if these new cases are before the
new testing going on in Campbellton this week-end
or are they new finds !!!! I'm anxious to know if there is
community spread going on there !!!
 
 
Theo Lavigne
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Yes I know about that circumstance my daughter and her husband went through that part
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Graeme Scott: Methinks you did not read this in the news yet the opposition won't mention what is published on the government's website N'esy Pas?

Trade Agreement: CETA / CFTA
Request for Information regarding Service Provider(s) for Federal Quarantine / Isolation sites for The Government of Canada

The Government of Canada (GoC) is considering engaging a Third Party Service Provider for Federal Quarantine / Isolation sites that will be used to house and care for people for public health and other related federal requirements associated with the COVID-19 pandemic response. The Government is seeking feedback from current service providers about potential options for standing up, operating and managing all of the services associated with these sites. The purpose of this Request for Information (RFI) is to seek feedback from potential service providers in order to develop a strategy for the potential future management of these sites going forward.

Should the Government of Canada determine that a third-party managed solution going forward is a viable strategy, Public Services and Procurement Canada (PSPC) may issue a Request for Proposal (RFP) to provide suppliers the opportunity to bid on the services required as per the schedule contained in this document.

This RFI seeks industry’s feedback to:
i. Obtain supplier feedback, with advice and guidance on the operation of these sites;
ii. Assess industry’s interest in bidding on a potential the contemplated RFP;
iii. Identify and minimize any potential competitive barriers where possible; and
iv. Ensure that potential suppliers can deliver the type of services being requested in a possible upcoming RFP 
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Dianne MacPherson: I don't think even Public Health knows that yet. The official dashboard shows 10 cases of community spread in NB, just as it's been showing for some months. However, it also shows 14 cases under investigation, i.e., PH hasn't figured out these 14 cases yet. Russell's said that she *suspects* community spread, but apparently they haven't nailed this down yet.
 
 
Winston Gray
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: they don’t “want” to “find out” that it’s community transmission, because that will send us back to red phase.

It’s why they will always just be “under investigation”.

Can you not see how they are manipulating their own data to ignore their own action plan?
 
 
Donald Gallant
Reply to @Winston Gray:
It would not in that in my opinion.

They don’t want us to know from where the cases originate.

The lack of transparency is disturbing and most likely political.
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Donald Gallant:
Of course. The term is "managed risk", the risk to your health (and life) is being "managed". How do you like them apples.
 
 
Rick Firth 
Reply to @Winston Gray: Agree. Like they don't want to mention the guys from Freddytown who went up to the North Shore to hunt and either were or became positive. So they put them under Campbellton's numbers instead of Freddytown. Manipulation at its finest.
 
 
JOhn D Bond 
Reply to @Graeme Scott: Not sure that the answer is really that critical. If someone identifies that they have had potential contact with someone that has tested positive, a few days at least have passed by the time they are informed the result is that they have been out in public and potentially spread the virus or not. Not something that is easily discerned until they are tested and their contacts are traced.
 
 
Colin Seeley
Reply to @Terry Tibbs:
Yeah. They manage. I risk.
 
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Colin Seeley: Methinks your buddies Higgy et al must admit that many a true word is said in est N'esy Pas?

 

 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/new-brunswick-reports-2-covid-19-deaths-on-sunday-1.5776256

 

New Brunswick reports 2 COVID-19 deaths on Sunday

2 new cases reported; active cases at 65

 

Alexandre Silberman · CBC News · Posted: Oct 25, 2020 1:25 PM AT

 


New Brunswick reported two new deaths from COVID-19 on Sunday. (The Canadian Press/NIAID-RML via AP)

New Brunswick officials have confirmed the province's fifth and sixth deaths related to COVID-19.

Public Health said one of the deaths was a person between 70 and 79 in the Moncton region (Zone 1), the other was between 40 and 49 and is from the Campbellton region (Zone 5). Both died because of "underlying complications" including COVID-19, according to a release issued by the province. 

Premier Blaine Higgs said in a statement he expresses his condolences to the families and friends of the individuals.

"Today's news is a heartbreaking reminder that we all must do everything we can to slow and prevent the spread of this disease," he said.

Dalhousie Mayor Normand Pelletier said it was "extremely disappointing" to hear of another death in his region.

"It hurts when you see what happens with this virus," he said.

'Kind of a wake up call'

People in Dalhousie have been mourning the loss of a local man to COVID-19 last week. The death of Rheal Vautour, who was in his 70s, was announced on Wednesday.

Pelletier said he hopes there are no more deaths from the virus in the region and he is praying people take action to stop the spread.

"I think this is going to rattle a lot of people in the county, especially a young lady like this at 49 years of age," he said. "I think this is going to be kind of a wake up call."

The news comes as the Campbellton region grapples with an outbreak of COVID-19 placing it on the verge of returning to tighter restrictions. The area is the only part of the province under the orange-level recovery phase.


Dalhousie Mayor Normand Pelletier said he thinks the region's second death related to COVID-19 will "rattle a lot of people." (Bridget Yard/CBC )

Members of the RCMP and peace officers with the Department of Justice and Department of Public Safety are monitoring the region this weekend for compliance with orange-level restrictions.

Coreen Enos, a Public Safety spokesperson, said five tickets have been issued for violation of the Emergency Measures Act.

Pelletier said residents should take heightened precautions and act as if they are under red-level restrictions.

"We've got to nip this down right away as soon as possible, if not it's going to continue to do havoc here," he said.

Dr. Jennifer Russell, the province's chief medical officer of health, is visiting Restigouche County this weekend as mass testing for asymptomatic people is underway. She said in a statement she extends her "deepest sympathies" to everyone impacted in both regions.

"The impact this virus is having on all of us is indescribable," Russell said. "Kindness and compassion, along with strict adherence to two metre distancing, and mask use are how we will get through this together."

2 new cases

The province also confirmed two new cases of the virus on Sunday.

One is an individual between 40 and 49 in the Campbellton region, and the source of the infection in that case remains under investigation.The second new case is travel-related in an individual between 20 and 29 in the Fredericton region (Zone 3).

Public Health said both cases are self-isolating.

Four people are in the hospital in the province due to the virus.



(CBC News)

Residents in Zone 5 have been asked to limit their contacts to a single-household bubble, plus a caregiver or member of their immediate family.

There have been 328 confirmed cases of COVID-19 in New Brunswick. There have been 257 recoveries.

Mass testing in Dalhousie

Public Health is making testing available in Dalhousie on Sunday for people without symptoms.

No appointment is necessary and asymptomatic people do not need to self-isolate while waiting for results, unless advised otherwise by Public Health.

Testing will be available on a first-come, first-serve basis until 7 p.m. at the Inch Arran Arena in Dalhousie.


Mass COVID-19 testing being done on Sunday in Dalhousie. René Arseneault (Facebook/René Arseneault)

M.P. René Arseneault, who represents Madawaska—Restigouche, went to get tested in Dalhousie as soon as the doors opened on Sunday.

He posted photos on Facebook of the lineup to get inside the building, as well as pictures inside the stadium. He said the whole process took less than an hour.

René Arseneault
about a week ago

File d’attente déjà tôt ce matin à Dalhousie pour le test volontaire du Covid-19. Hier ça se passait à Campbellton. Bravo aux gens du Restigouche pour votre participation et pour votre collaboration. Les portes ne sont pas encore ouvertes.

The doors are not open yet for the voluntary COVID-19 testing. People waiting in line at the Dalhousie Inch Arran. Yesterday it was in Campbellton. Congratulations to the people of Restigouche for their participation and for their collaboration.

People with symptoms are asked to request a test online or call Tele-Care 811 for an appointment.

Mass testing was available in Campbellton on Saturday and drew large lines to the Memorial Civic Centre.

Alysha Elliott, a Public Health spokesperson, said about 1,300 people came to get tested at that location.

Elliot said Russell and other health officials plan to visit the region regularly in the coming weeks. But there are no plans to open an office in the area.

What to do if you have a symptom

People concerned they might have COVID-19 symptoms can take a self-assessment test on the government website at gnb.ca. 

Public Health says symptoms shown by people with COVID-19 have included: a fever above 38 C, a new cough or worsening chronic cough, sore throat, runny nose, headache, new onset of fatigue, new onset of muscle pain, diarrhea, loss of sense of taste or smell, and difficulty breathing.

In children, symptoms have also included purple markings on the fingers and toes.

People with one of those symptoms are asked to:

  • Stay at home.

  • Call Tele-Care 811 or their doctor.

  • Describe symptoms and travel history.

  • Follow instructions.

About the Author

Alexandre Silberman is a reporter with CBC New Brunswick based in Fredericton. He can be reached at alexandre.silberman@cbc.ca

 

 
 
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David Amos
"Both died because of "underlying complications" including COVID-19"

 
Terry Tibbs 
Reply to @David Amos:
The "underlying complications" being our government's managed risk policy.
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: underlying conditions or not, you've got no Medicare card. Hahahahahah
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @David Amos:
And because our inept government has adopted a "managed risk" policy without *thinking*, this is what you get: no "wins", only losses.
 
 
James Edward
Reply to @Ray Oliver: how compassionate of you
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @James Edward: this coming from the guy whos a covid denier.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
 
Johnny Almar
One of the dead was 40-49 so had underlying health conditions. One new case is in Fredericton. Travel related.
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Johnny Almar: Everyone who dies has an "underlying health condition": being alive in the first place.
 
 
Justin Gunther
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: This is amongst the most asinine things I've seen posted on these boards.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Justin Gunther: i concur
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @Justin Gunther: what's your underlying one? Bye Polar?
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: wow. You 2 concurring. The world is about to tilt off its axis
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Jake Quinlan
It's quite interesting watching politicians navigate this whole thing, provincially and federally. They can't win here. Can't go hard lockdowns, vaccine too far off to avoid ++ deaths.
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Jake Quinlan: You couldn't pay me to hold political office. There are no right answers, only least wrong ones - and what course of action you choose, you're going to get slammed for it. If you're lucky, you only get slammed from one side, not both!
 
 
Lou Bell 
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: And then there are those who just have a political agenda and nothing else . VH , JA , and the 2 M&M 's come to mind right off the bat ! They lost their way in the last election and the " wandering sheep " are roaming aimlessly !
 
 
Justin Gunther
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: If they opted for truth rather than messaging more often than not they might be surprised by how reasonable the people can be. It's clear now that the messaging is the largest source of public discontent. It's up to them to fix this, presumably.
 
 
JOhn D Bond
Reply to @Justin Gunther: Not so sure that the majority would agree that the message has led to discontent. Rather the discontent seems to be from a vocal minority that want to compare stats for a variety of issues over time. The more salient piece of information that we hear from all of the governments is that the steps, protocols are designed to protect the health care system from being overwhelmed. No one ever said their would be no losses.
The other issue though that is causing lots of discontent is the fact that in our Federation, provinces do their own thing as they are the government responsible to deliver health care. The feds have a minor role. However since March, different provinces have taken different approaches on many things. Now there are regional areas within provinces with differences. But it has nothing to do with being truthful or not truthful. It's the way our elected officials have decided to exercise the power we gave them. For those that are really dissatisfied, that should be the impetus for them to get involved in politics or form a party and run in the next election and appeal to the people vote.
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @Justin Gunther: do you ever state facts or just fairy tales and I missed my pills today theories?? Riddle me this Amos 2.0????
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @JOhn D Bond: he's not all there just let him post his rants LOL!!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Bill Henry
Would love to know what all these “travel cases” are. Essential workers that didn’t follow the guidelines while out of the province? What are people not doing to catch it? Wear a mask and stay 6 feet apart is all she’s got after 7 months?
 
 
SarahRose Werner 
Reply to @Bill Henry: Staying six feet apart and washing your hands a lot are still the best protections available to reduce one's own chances of COVID. Wearing a mask when you can't stay six feet apart reduces the chances that *if* you're carrying the novel coronavirus without knowing it, you might spread it to others around you. These are still the best protections *anyone's* got - but nothing offers 100.0000% protection. If you're in an environment where a larger number of people have COVID-19, your chances of becoming infected yourself are higher no matter what you do. If you travelled out of NB to work in Ontario, Quebec, etc., then your chances of becoming infected are higher even if you follow the guidelines. 
 
 
Terry Tibbs 
Reply to @Bill Henry:
Well Bill, there are no specific "guidelines' for workers deemed essential.
That is "the problem" I've been "spouting off about" for the past 3 months and it's finally coming home to roost. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
June Arnott  
Condolences to all. I hope that people understand this is not a police state. Wear the mask, follow the advice from government, save lives

 

 
 
 
Terry Tibbs  
Reply to @June Arnott:
It's hard to accept this is not a police state when our elected government is so quick to put their dogs on us.
 
 

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/nb-covid-19-campbellton-mayor-covid-19-rules-1.5776709

 

N.B. COVID-19 roundup: 3 new cases in province, hundreds quarantine in Campbellton region

Campbellton Mayor Stephanie Anglehart-Paulin says Public Safety is enforcing mask message

Latest

  • 3 new cases confirmed
  • Results of Saturday mass testing in Campbellton all negative
  • 'People are going to get the point,' mayor says
  • What to do if you have a symptom

New Brunswick reported three new confirmed cases of COVID-19 Monday and eight more people have recovered.

The total number of active cases in the province now stands at 60.

The new cases include two people in their 70s in the Fredericton region (Zone 3) whose illnesses are related to international travel, and a person in their 60s in the Campbellton region (Zone 5). That case is under investigation.

All three individuals are self-isolating, Public Health said in a news release.

"You can choose your friends, but you can't choose your family — except during a pandemic," Dr. Jennifer Russell, the chief medical officer of health, said in a statement.

"We want all New Brunswickers to keep their close contact numbers to a minimum. Help New Brunswick and the Atlantic bubble fight off the second wave. Let's work together but apart."

There are 17 active cases in the Moncton health region (Zone 1), three cases in the Fredericton region, and 40 cases in the Campbellton region.

Four people are in hospital, none in intensive care.

New Brunswick has had 331 cases of COVID-19 since the pandemic began in March. Of those, 265 people have recovered and six have died.

A total of 98,251 COVID-19 tests have been conducted so far, including 1,504 on Sunday.

Results of Saturday mass testing in Campbellton all negative

All of the COVID-19 tests conducted Saturday at the Memorial Civic Centre in Campbellton came back negative, according to Dr. Jennifer Russell, the province's chief medical officer of health.

Mass testing was offered over the weekend to people in the Campbellton region (Zone 5) who have no symptoms.

About 2,500 people were tested over the two days in Campbellton and Dalhousie, where schools are among the places that have seen COVID-19 cases during an outbreak that began more than two weeks ago.

Roughly 1,300 people were tested Saturday, Public Health had said.

As of Monday night, the results of the tests conducted Sunday at the Inch Arran Arena in Dalhousie were not yet publicly available.

The tests are still being analyzed, Russell. "We hope that we will have all the results either tonight [Monday] or tomorrow morning [Tuesday]."

Tests take 24 to 48 hours to process at the microbiology laboratory at the Dr. Georges-L.-Dumont University Hospital Centre in Moncton, Public Health has said.

Campbellton Mayor Anglehart-Paulin said she was happy with the number of people who took part in the mass testing.

"That's almost 10 per cent of the population and that's what [Public Health] wanted," she said.

'People are going to get the point'

Campbellton Mayor Stephanie Anglehart-Paulin says she hopes the support shown by Public Health and the enforcement by Public Safety in Zone 5 over the weekend sends the necessary message about COVID-19 to those who need it. 

"We must have 50 vehicles in town stopping and fining people with no masks, so people are going to get the point." 

But the mayor said the enforcement is needed so COVID-19 doesn't continue to spread even if it's only about nine per cent of the population not complying. 

"Some aren't taking it well." 

Anglehart-Paulin said the contact tracing revealed each person contacted had 20 contacts. 

"In a region of 25,000 there were over 400 in quarantine. That's a big number." 

She said she thinks people finally understand.

"I think they finally seen that it was community spread." 

Residents in Zone 5 have been asked to limit their contacts to a single-household bubble, plus a caregiver or member of their immediate family.

The mayor said she didn't personally know the person whose death was one of the two announced Sunday by Public Health but knows people who did. 

"So, you know, that's how we're connected," she explained of the close connections in the region.

It was the second death in Zone 5 during this latest outbreak. The death of Rheal Vautour, who was in his 70s, was announced last Wednesday.


Campbellton Mayor Stéphanie Anglehart-Paulin is hopeful people will comply with the Public Health measures and the region will return to the less restrictive yellow level of COVID-19 recovery before Christmas. (Radio-Canada/Serge Bouchard)

And while  Anglehart-Paulin is telling people in the city to follow the rules, so the region can move on to the less restrictive yellow phase, she said some of the restrictions now being applied don't make sense. 

"There are some rules that are a little out of whack. Like I have no idea why I can't get a haircut, but there are certain establishments that are still open that you can have women dancing in front of you." 

Anglehart-Paulin said she hopes Premier Blaine Higgs follows through on his offer to listen to feedback.

But she said she will continue to offer encouragement to those who need to hear it.

"We got through this in June with no knowledge and no understanding like we have today. We're going to get through this. It's 14 days of don't move around too much." 

Anglehart-Paulin said if people comply then families will be able to enjoy Christmas.

"Otherwise it's going to go to the middle of November and then it's going to go to the middle of December. And the next thing we know will be in the middle of January."

What to do if you have a symptom

People concerned they might have COVID-19 symptoms can take a self-assessment test on the government website at gnb.ca. 

Public Health says symptoms shown by people with COVID-19 have included: a fever above 38 C, a new cough or worsening chronic cough, sore throat, runny nose, headache, new onset of fatigue, new onset of muscle pain, diarrhea, loss of sense of taste or smell, and difficulty breathing.

In children, symptoms have also included purple markings on the fingers and toes.

People with one of those symptoms should:

  • Stay at home.

  • Call Tele-Care 811 or their doctor.

  • Describe symptoms and travel history.

  • Follow instructions.

With files from Information Morning Moncton and Radio-Canada

 

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David Amos
methinks some folks my enjoy a little Deja Vu These words were posted elsewhere just yesterday N'esy Pas?

Gerald Celente
Reply to @David Amos: So to make an interesting and articulate how ever lengthy story short - We the people always get the government we deserve and truth prevails. Agreed.

David Amos
Reply to @Gerald Celente: Methinks it would not be wise for me to agree within a self professed anarchist N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Lauren Fisher 
@Paul Miller-Feel free to move there. Let us know how you make out.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Les Cooper 
So why does Campbelltown have such a high rate?
 
 
Roy Kirk 
Reply to @Les Cooper: close ties and communication with the gaspe
 
 
Marc Goudreau 
Reply to @Les Cooper: That's an excellent question Cooper and, being from the area and with all the right factors for this virus to put me in a box, one I've been asking myself for a few weeks. First off, I don't believe this recent outbreak has anything to do with town residents being any more "slack" or "irresponsible" than anyone else in NB... and the suggestion of such is nothing but veiled ignorance from people in power just as clueless about the origins of the outbreak as the rest of us.... but politicians always have to point a stinky finger somewhere. I can't help but think C'ton's close proximity to Quebec didn't help matters but what perplexes me most is this recent outbreak makes C'ton look like we're connected to the world like some bloody exchange hub for international travelers. It just doesn't make sense. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Lou Bell
"You can choose your friends but you can't choose family " ! Sounds like someone's family or family member either really screwed up or were too self indulgent to worry about protecting other family members !
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: Yesterday you posted the following words about the Feds correct?

"Well I guess at least we didn't msee the name Bombardier or SNC or Pomerleau so at least there's a minimal chance this is on the up and up . Slight , but there is a chance !"
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Lou Bell
Perhaps many of the deniers are opposed to masks as they don't appear to be able to hear and comprehend the uncomplicated suggestions " mask and distance " . Perhaps lacking any ears explains the incomprehension and nothing to hold them masks up and keep them from slipping down !
 
 
Paul Miller
Reply to @Lou Bell: Deaths not cases. Still not harmful to the majority. We are witnessing the most maniacally over-reported non-event in world history. The only thing worth reporting is the non stop gaslighting for the past 8 months. Protect the vulnerable, wear a mask if you're sick. Otherwise life goes on. 785 Canadians die daily of other causes, which should be of far greater concern.
 
 
Dan Stewart
Reply to @Paul Miller: What would make those deaths of any more or less of a concern than a covid death?
 
 
David Amos 
Reply to @Paul Miller: I agree
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Dan Stewart: What covid death?
 
 
David Amos 
Reply to @Dan Stewart: "Both died because of "underlying complications" including COVID-19, according to a release issued by the province"
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Paul Miller: Methinks everybody with half a clue between their ears knows by now that a virus can go through one those masks just like mosquitoes lugging a West Nile virus or ticks carrying Lyme disease can go through a chain link fence.

In my humble opinion this nonsense all about what it is always money and control. The "New Normal" is now the new religion for the sheople who are afraid of their own shadow. Anyone who tries to reason with them are conspiracy theorists or whatever and should be fined bigtime or locked up ASAP. However with a lot of people losing their shirts and all the protests around the world that the media does not wish to talk about Higgy et al must admit to themselves the worm is turning on their popularity Hence the snap elections in an effort to secure majority mandates for their benefit not ours before the news gets worse N'esy Pas?
 
 
Kelvin Bosch 
Reply to @Paul Miller:
Want to see what happens when people don’t care about it? 227,000 dead in the USofA and counting...

Want to see that happen here? Then don’t report the dangers or the consequences of this virus and see what happens.

The reason there are so few deaths is because people in NB have largely heeded the medical advice on how to combat a pandemic.
 

Kelvin Bosch 
Reply to @David Amos:
Masks are like pants.... try peeing on my leg when you and I are wearing pants, I bet my leg doesn’t even get wet. Same principle with masks.
 
 
Paul Miller
Reply to @Kelvin Bosch: you seriously believe the US death number? Too many people have a vested interest in a high number down there, starting with for-profit healthcare who receive tens of thousands for each covid case. Drastic spike in numbers. Coincidence? do your homework.
 
 
Gerald Celente
Reply to @David Amos: Not a bad encapsulation and one that I can agree with.
 
 
Dan Stewart
Reply to @David Amos: So.. You can read... just not understand?
 
 
Dan Stewart
Reply to @Paul Miller: And you seriously believe that? Do any real homework.
 
 
Paul Miller
Reply to @Dan Stewart: all deaths are concerning. You just don't need to shut things down for them. Especially not for the children, who are at no risk. And I don't buy the asymptomatic spread religion out there. Utter nonsense and social engineering is all.
 
 
Dan Stewart
Reply to @Paul Miller: Well, you are all entitled to your opinion of course. Even if the the facts don't back it up....
 
 
Paul Miller
Reply to @Dan Stewart: my opinions are based on sound facts. Government of Canada website, for starters. Truth of the matter is that scientist and doctors who disagree are not allowed to speak on MSM. They are every bit as qualified as those who are directing us down this current form of disaster.
 
 
Dan Stewart
Reply to @Paul Miller: Actually no they are not sound, just convenient .. but that still doesnt mean you can't have your opinion.
 
 
Paul Miller
Reply to @Dan Stewart: no, it's actually inconvenient to speak against the narrative. Some do so at great risk to their own jobs. Why would they do that? Because they refuse to play it safe and follow the culture over the cliff like the rest of the sheep. Truth is inconvenient. Just take a look at the posts around here. Those who support the narrative are praised, those like me who oppose it are picked. Figure it out.
 
 
Dan Stewart
Reply to @Paul Miller: Oh, give it a break Paul none of your "experts"are at any great risk of losing anything. They are doing just what they want and doing it happily.. After all they have your admiration and others to keep them motivated. And how about you actually take a look at the posts here for a change...Stop playing the part of the martyr. That most disagree with you doesnt equate to being picked on, they simply don't agree with you.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Greg Miller
International travel--really????
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Greg Miller: I'd suggest withholding judgement, as we don't have all the facts. We don't know why the travel was undertaken or how long the travelers have been gone. It might even be that they left Canada before the pandemic was widely known about and have only been able to return home now. And "international" might mean nothing more exotic than working or having family in the States.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Lou Bell
Sounds like someone didn't mind infecting their elderly in the family !
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
SarahRose Werner
40 active cases in the Campbellton region is a good sign, considering that there were 60 active cases there only a few days ago. If we can keep heading in this direction, we'll do all right.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Ian Scott
Seems to me the mayor may be an issue in why Campbeltown is in the mess it now is .........again.
 
 
Bob Smith
Reply to @Ian Scott: Sounds like if she could get her hair cut and have those "women dancing" businesses closed, she'd be happy.
 
 
Ian Scott
Reply to @Bob Smith: lol, those are essential workers.
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Bob Smith: Sounds to me as if she'd be happy to leave the dancing businesses alone if she could just get a hair cut.
 
 
Bob Smith
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: The hair dressers/barbers interact closely with their clients whereas the dancing businesses don't do that. That's the difference by the rules they operate under.
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Bob Smith: Yes, *I* understand that. Not sure the mayor does, though.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Ian Scott
Well I hope the 2 travel folks (I am sure it was essential ) isolated directly on return instead of Superstore and Sobeys first. And plane passengers notified again.
 
 
Lou Bell
Reply to @Ian Scott: Unless it was passed on to them by the 24 year old from the other day . The " you can choose your friends but you can't choose your family " statement was vaguely referring to someone or incident .
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
john smith
did i read that right they are stoping and fining people in their car driving with no mask does that make sense to 1 single person
 
 
Andrew Clarkson
Reply to @john smith:
Would appear your reading comprehension is not so good!
 
 
john smith
Reply to @Andrew Clarkson: what does this mean to you

"We must have 50 vehicles in town stopping and fining people with no masks so people are going to get the point."
 
 
Lou Bell
Reply to @john smith: Comprehension relly shouldn't be that difficult !
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Andrea MacKenzie
Does anyone know what the amount of the fine is? Are people paying these fines?
 
 
john smith
Reply to @Andrea MacKenzie: i wouldnt take it too court let teh judge go through them
 
 
john smith
Reply to @Andrea MacKenzie: contact fightthefines
 
 
Andrea MacKenzie
Reply to @john smith: I dont live in the area I was just curious, what is the amount and what does it say on the ticket?
 
 
Joseph Carrier 
Reply to @Andrea MacKenzie: Summary ticket I would gather would be in the $236 range, more or less...
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Andrea MacKenzie: "Generally speaking, individuals or organizations convicted of violating the mandatory order face a fine of not less than $240 and not more than $10,200, plus a 20% Victims Services Act surcharge and a $4.50 administrative fee. However, in certain circumstances, a judge can increase the fine beyond $10,200 (for example, in cases where the defendant committed the offence for financial advantage or to avoid the financial burden of compliance with the law), and can even order up to ninety days’ imprisonment for repeat offenders.

Individuals who fail to self-isolate following international travel can also be prosecuted for committing an offence under the federal Quarantine Act, which carries a maximum penalty of a $750,000 fine and imprisonment for six months. This can be increased to a maximum fine of $1,000,000 and imprisonment for three years if the offence is committed 'wilfully or recklessly' and it causes 'a risk of imminent death or serious bodily harm to another person.'"
 
 
Rick Firth
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: And yet I can shoot and kill someone, claim insanity, go through some assessments, and be clear in about 6 months to a year. lol Only in Canada, only in Canada.
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Rick Firth: Let's see how that strategy works out for the guy who's currently on trial in Fredericton.
 
 
 Lou Bell
Reply to @Rick Firth: Name a case ! Just one !
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: Federal Court File # T-1557-15
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Yo Yankee wanna argue law with me?
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Methinks your buddy Carrier forgot to read before he teased me again tonight but you some other sheople may recall my speculating about politicking for the past few weeks N'esy Pas?
 
 
Michel Forgeron 
Reply to @Rick Firth: If you claim insanity, and you're found be to insane, that's what would happened. If you aren't insane, you'd be insane to claim insanity.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Emery Hyslop-Margison
There’s a detectable rise in frustration among posters on this story. Perfectly understandable since the pandemic is now in its 9th month and shows little sign of abating. Heath concerns, economic hardship and life disruption are all taking a considerable toll on people’s mental health. The good news is that vaccine development is producing numerous strong candidates and shots should be available to the most vulnerable early in 2021.
 
 
Ian Scott 
Reply to @Francois Arseneau: Somehow you got past the editors. I got removed for what i first posted about you.
 
 
Joseph Carrier 
Reply to @Francois Arseneau: And you don't even spell your last name correctly...No 'lt' in your clan lol
 
 
Ray Oliver 
Reply to @David Amos: How could they not? I'm mean you're a household name all across North America for your legal prowess and sharp political mind! LOL.
 
 
Ray Oliver 
Reply to @David Amos: If I were your "clan" there Braveheart I'd look to change my surname ASAP
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Francois Arseneau: Methinks it s rather obvious that the sheople are busy celebrating the actions of the governments they deserve N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Justin Gunther
"There are some rules that are a little out of whack. Like I have no idea why I can't get a haircut, but there are certain establishments that are still open that you can have women dancing in front of you."

Can you even believe that our government denies it both deliberately makes itself impossible to take seriously and deliberately creates the counter-culture on the receiving end of these fines?

Once again, the messaging/cognitive dissonance is the problem. You already know this but you don't stop. I can't believe you don't stop.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Justin Gunther
Have a jog but as soon as you're done mask up and then die from arrhythmia because you can't afford a fine. No big deal. What even provoked this presence of fine givers? Were people flagrantly breaking the rules or was it simply the increase in cases?
 
 
Graham McCormack
Reply to @Justin Gunther: Could you point to a case of someone dying from arrhythmia because they put on a mask after jogging?
 
 
Wayne Wright
Reply to @Justin Gunther: sorry Justin you are spouting garbage. If you can't social distance wear a damn mask! Why be so resistant?
 
 
Dan Stewart
Reply to @Justin Gunther: Must be hard when you have to continually keep coming up scenarios that never seem to really work hmm Justin?
 
 
Andrew Clarkson 
Reply to @Justin Gunther: Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah...........................
 
 
Ray Oliver 
Reply to @Dan Stewart: justin "everyone's always keeping me down" gunther
 
 
Tracy Rankin 
Reply to @Justin Gunther: your more likely to drown in your own tears
 
 
john smith
Reply to @Justin Gunther: the constricter is repositioned and squeeze
 
 
Carlson MacKenzie 
Reply to @john smith: He's just "strolling" along.
 
 
David Amos   
Reply to @Wayne Wright: Methinks I would like to ask many questions of you but this is not the place or time N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Justin Gunther
But if you're jogging with your friend on the sidewalk it's cool until you're no longer jogging. Is that correct or is there another, or perhaps many different ways, to interpret the outdoor mask rules?
 
 
Dan Stewart
Reply to @Justin Gunther: As its been stated over and over... keep your distance, and wear a mask... its only complicated if you try and make it that way...
 
 
Justin Gunther
Reply to @Dan Stewart: You can't jog with a mask on buddy. Read the previous CBC story from Oct 12 and tell me what you're supposed to do if you want to jog.
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @Justin Gunther: JOG ALONE! Or if the authorities want to stop you for a fine maybe speed it up to a RUN!
 
 
Justin Gunther
Reply to @Ray Oliver: Real $ fines are on the line here as the good squad rolls into town. It is not too much to ask for clarity, buddy.
 
 
Justin Gunther
Reply to @Justin Gunther: *goon squad
 
 
Dan Stewart
Reply to @Justin Gunther: Sure you can if you mask and jog if you want Buddy, plenty people do... But for those like yourself who obviously prefer not to do that while jogging... you can always carry your mask and put it on once you have stopped... I know...those darn masks are so heavy and awkward to carry but surely you can manage that...
 
 
Justin Gunther
Reply to @Dan Stewart: You are clearly incapable of understanding the written word, therefore I'm choosing to end this exchange. Have a nice day.
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @Justin Gunther: You rant with no clear message then get replies. Half the time you're simply responding to yourself.
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @Justin Gunther: You shouldn't end too many exchanges, but I guess the only ones that go your way are your own
 
 
Dan Stewart
Reply to @Justin Gunther: I think the real problem is that you understood the written word all too well and thats the reason for choosing to end this exchange.
 
 
Wayne Wright
Reply to @Justin Gunther: unbelievable trump-based thinking! Not hard to maintain social distancing outdoors but for some trump-base they are too thick to understand or comprehend. Pathetic!
 
 
Wayne Wright
Reply to @Dan Stewart: you're giving him toooo much credit.
 
 
Lou Bell
Reply to @Dan Stewart: Appears Justie has no ears to keep the mask from slipping
 
 
David Amos   
Reply to @Wayne Wright: Methinks your porch lights are on but nobody is home
 
 
David Amos   
Reply to @Lou Bell: and everybody knows that you have always been a few bricks shy of a load N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Antonia Patrick
I can understand why people are just tired of it all. First it was, oh just don't get together for Easter so you can enjoy your summer. Then the Atlantic bubble left many families not getting together. Then it was oh don't do anything for Labour Day weekend then Thanksgiving and now Halloween. There is a 100% chance that no matter what anyone does, governments will discourage Christmas as well. Already many events are cancelled (CP holiday train, Santa Claus parades, etc). I'm not saying this is good or bad, I'm just saying that governments are not giving anyone true hope, just false reassurance, so of course people just give up and say why bother.
 
 
Dan Stewart
Reply to @Antonia Patrick: What does true hope look like?
 
 
Graham McCormack 
Reply to @Antonia Patrick: They are telling you has to happen so we can have some hope that people will be able to gather safely.
 
 
JOhn D Bond 
Reply to @Antonia Patrick: It appears that they are trying to manage expectations and not doing a good job. Can you imagine if they told everyone back in March that it would be 12-24 months that these steps will need to be in place what would have happened?
I don't think it would have been pretty.
 
 
Joseph Carrier 
Reply to @Francois Arseneau: I'm part of the global elite and no one asked me so what you are saying is false...We meet every Sunday at a Tim's in Campbellton...
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Antonia Patrick: The government's between a rock and hard place on this point. If they don't hold out *any* hope, "people just give up and say why bother." If they try to hold out *some* hope but then this appears to be false, "people just give up and say why bother." The true hope is that maybe in a year or two, we'll have safe, effective and widely available vaccines and/or treatments for COVID-19. But for most people, "a year or two" is the emotional equivalent of "never." So the government tries to hold out hopes for what may come to pass in weeks or months - and then this tactic bites them in the hinder end. 
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @SarahRose Werner:
Using your logic, any vaccine can be seen as a carrot on the end of a stick too, no?
 
 
David Amos  
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: : Methinks it has become rather obvious to Mr Arseneau as well that the sheople are way too busy celebrating the actions Higgy's Police State to bother with ethical behaviour N'esy Pas?
 
 
David Amos  
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks you did not read this in the news yet the opposition won't mention what is published on the government's website N'esy Pas?

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June Arnott
I hope this line from the news brings the understanding of how bad it could be without the measures put in place by our government. I you don't get it, yu need help:

Utah hospitals could be days away from using a patient's age, health and other factors to decide who can remain in overcrowded intensive care units due to an onslaught of Covid-19 cases.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
June Arnott
my guess is not all are getting the message yet, calling NB a police state and all.
 
 
JOhn D Bond
Reply to @June Arnott: Clearly they have never lived in a Police State and are simply complaining that they don't like it.
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @JOhn D Bond:
Or, just maybe, a lot of folks don't *think* it is the job of an elected official (a politician) to put the dogs (the police) on them to "make them behave".
 
 
JOhn D Bond
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Really? So what pray tell is the role of our elected officials when you have citizens disregarding lawfully construed orders that are the equivalent of laws on a temporary basis issued by the province. Which are constitutionally appropriate as per the 1867/1982 Constitution?
Should they turn a blind eye and allow anarchy to run rampant in the streets? I hope not. I remember the October 1970 Crisis in Montreal had mail boxes blowing up on street corners, why, all because the government failed to take prescriptive action early. Not a Higgs fan but they are doing the right thing.
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @JOhn D Bond:
Last I heard about politicians directing police "actions" was in pre WW2 Germany.
Montreal was just a bit different, the war measures was invoked.
 
 
JOhn D Bond
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Right and the emergencies measures act was borne out of the war measures act in the 1982 agreement. Essentially same type of powers.
But Higgs doesn't need to direct the police. It is their job to enforce the laws as required to ensure compliance.
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @JOhn D Bond:
Right, we'll show them, we'll send in the brown shirts.
If you can't see something fundamentally very wrong here I can't help you.
 
 
JOhn D Bond
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: The inverse of your comment is that you believe it is reasonable for citizens to take matters into their own hands, disobey Emergencies Measure orders as some grand representation of Democracy. Please, the police are simply doing the job they are paid to do, enforcing laws/orders that are designed to keep the population safe. No grand conspiracy here not matter how it is twisted. Just government doing the job we elected them to do.
 
 
David Amos 
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: "Or, just maybe, a lot of folks don't *think* it is the job of an elected official (a politician) to put the dogs (the police) on them to "make them behave".

Well worth repeating
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Joseph Carrier 
Good to see the citizens coming out for the testing protocol...
 
 
Joseph Carrier 
Reply to @Francois Arseneau: Are you WCW NWO-fearful or WWE-NWO fearful?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
David Stairs
it doesn't matter what restrictions are put in place and make sense,there will always be those who think that it should not apply to them....get over yourself...suck it up for a couple of weeks and move on...and yes I know quite a few people that this has effected and the restrictions are necessary...
 
 
Paul Miller
Reply to @David Stairs: get over yourself, suck it up, you say. Why can't you accept that there are people who don't accept this false narrative? A virus with a 99.99% recover rate does not warrant this sort of nanny state any longer.
 
 
Bob Smith  
Reply to @Paul Miller: False narrative? Look around at the news in neighboring provinces and states...the news from the United States. Saying "it's nothing.." and so on every day won't change the fact this is a serious pandemic that isn't going away by putting on blinders.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Donald Smith 
Thoughts and Prayers to all. Stay Safe.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Amajor Hall
Lockdowns without logic and numbers to back the nonsensical approach to this!! 50 people sick and the place lost it's mind! Strip clubs open but can't get a haircut and can get a lappy, shhh-tooo-pid!
 
 
Dan Stewart
Reply to @Amajor Hall: Restrictions and common sense... No ones "Locked down".
 
 
June Arnott
Reply to @Amajor Hall: would you rather the number in the USA? You are one of those people that if they do it or dont do it, no matter what, they are wrong. You need some education
 
 
June Arnott
Reply to @Amajor Hall: Utah hospitals could be days away from using a patient's age, health and other factors to decide who can remain in overcrowded intensive care units due to an onslaught of Covid-19 cases.

You want to see this happen here??
 
 
Ray Oliver  
Reply to @Amajor Hall: I can cut my own hair but I can't give myself a lappy! And with the money I saved on the haircuts then its more for the ladies
   
 
Carlson MacKenzie
Reply to @June Arnott: Some education delivered with a large boot.
 
 
Leslie Russel
Reply to @June Arnott: Why always compare to the US? Canadian obsession.
 
 
Nicholas Rioux 
Reply to @Leslie Russell: Is there another country that borders Canada to make a comparison with?
 
 
Nicholas Rioux 
Reply to @Amajor Hall: You sound like you're having a joke but from recommends and others saying the same thing and sounding serious, it's hard to say.
So, a question for you.
The virus is passed from person to person from breathing/talking at close range. Masks and distancing reduce the chances of getting it from someone who may not know they have it.
Are you more likely to get it from someone close enough to cut your hair with you both talking to each other or from someone dancing on a stage where you are not talking to each other.
 
 
June Arnott
Reply to @Leslie Russell: because they give you an idea Leslie of what NOT TO DO. Get over yourself
 
 
Ray Oliver 
Reply to @David Amos: I'm game if he is LOL. First ones free!!!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Amajor Hall
Where's "Campbelltown"?
 
 
John O'Brien 
Reply to @Amajor Hall: It is "nowhere"
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
SarahRose Werner
I would be interested to hear Anglehart-Paulin's views as to what should be done re: the bridge in Campbelltown.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Joe Rootliek
Very small City. If this was a city of a million, multiply that amount by 1000.

I think things will come around, Higgs is the only Premier to pay down "Debt", and get things under control, I have confidence in the Government getting things back to normal, quickly.
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Joe Rootliek: The figure of 25,000 doesn't refer to Campbelltown. It refers to the entire Zone 5 health region.
 
 
Joe Rootliek
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Yeah I guess I forgot to put in Region, besides Campbellton, Nobodies perfect.
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Joe Rootliek: Apologies, I didn't mean to sound as if I was nitpicking. What I was thinking was that people who live in southern NB, like myself, are used to larger numbers and might not realize that Campbellton alone doesn't have a population of 25,000.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Matt Steele
I wonder who the " advisor " was who told Premier Higgs to include parts of Quebec in the Atlantic Bubble ; even though Covid-19 was raging in Quebec , and N.B. had no way of controlling travel within Quebec . N.B.ers are certainly paying the price for that poorly out out decision
 
 
Donald Gallant
Reply to @Matt Steele:
It was political and pressure from MSM.

Something to do businesses needing to stay open disguised as and about human rights .

MSM was all for open border.
 
 
Dan Stewart 
Reply to @Donald Gallant: It was Higgs decision, Why is that so hard to believe? 
 
 
June Arnott
Reply to @Matt Steele: the people up in that area wanted it so badly, well they got that and more!

 

 

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N.B. COVID-19 roundup: 3 new cases of COVID-19 in Campbellton region

2 cases identified in mass testing Sunday

 


There are three new cases of COVID-19 in Zone 5. (Serge Bouchard/Radio-Canada)

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There are three new cases of COVID-19 in Zone 5, the Campbellton region. 

Public Health said two of the three cases were identified in the mass testing conducted Sunday in Dalhousie. 

About 1,135 people were tested that day, but not all of the results have been processed. No cases were detected in mass testing in Campbellton.

Two of the new cases reported Tuesday are people in their 50s, and the third is someone in their 80s. All three are self-isolating. 

The total number of active cases is 55, and five more people have recovered since Monday. Four people are in hospital but no one is in the intensive care unit.

There are 37 active cases in the Campbellton region, 15 in Zone 1, the Moncton region, and 3 in Zone 3, the Fredericton region.

New Brunswick has had 334 cases of COVID-19 since the pandemic began in March. Of those, 273 people have recovered and six have died.

As of Monday, 99,756 tests have been conducted, including 1,505 on Monday.

Mask rule 'reasonable,' commissioner finds

The government's mandatory mask rule in public spaces is "reasonable and balanced in light of the public health goal and urgency," New Brunswick Human Rights Commission chair Claire Roussel-Sullivan said Tuesday.

The province implemented the mandatory order under the Emergency Measures Act on Oct. 8 in an effort to reduce the spread of COVID-19. 

"In particular, we are pleased to see that the mandatory order applies the principles of the duty to accommodate under the act by accommodating individuals who are not able to wear a mask due to age, mental disability, or physical disability," Roussel-Sullivan said in a news release.


The New Brunswick Human Rights Commission chair Claire Roussel-Sullivan said the government’s mandatory mask rule in public spaces is "reasonable and balanced in light of the public health goal and urgency.” (Narongpon Chaibot/Shutterstock)

Roussel-Sullivan said the commission had received numerous requests from various service providers and government departments to make sure the mandatory order was being followed properly.

Those who are exempt from wearing a mask because of health or other reasons should communicate that, so the "reasonable" accommodation can be found, the release said. 

"Businesses are urged to seek alternative ways to offer their services and individuals who are exempt from mask wearing are required to accept reasonable accommodation while also paying special attention to physical distancing, frequent hand washing, and avoid, as much as possible, crowded places," the release said.


 
Three new cases of COVID-19 were announced in New Brunswick on Tuesday. (CBC News)

No Halloween in Zone 5

Public Health said while Zone 5 is in the orange phase of recovery, door-to-door trick-or-treating and handing out treats are not permitted. 

Residents can only celebrate Halloween with their household bubble, and parties outside of household bubbles are not allowed.

"It is recommended that residents keep contacts to a minimum." 


Door-to-door trick-or-treating and handing out treats are not permitted in Zone 5 on Halloween. (Contributed/Candida Marie Paul)
 

Halloween in yellow level

Public Health said the remainder of New Brunswick which is under the yellow level can celebrate Halloween with door-to-door trick-or-treating but must follow some guidelines. They include: 

  • if children go door-to-door, they should avoid contact with anyone in their bubble who is at higher risk for several days following Halloween;
  • informal indoor and outdoor celebrations are permitted with a maximum of 50 people but a list of participants must be maintained; and
  • any business, organization or group that plans an event, including malls, are required to have an operational plan for any Halloween activities, must keep a list of participants, and must ensure the use of masks in public spaces and ensure that physical distancing is practised.

What to do if you have a symptom

People concerned they might have COVID-19 symptoms can take a self-assessment test on the government website at gnb.ca. 

Public Health says symptoms shown by people with COVID-19 have included: a fever above 38 C, a new cough or worsening chronic cough, sore throat, runny nose, headache, new onset of fatigue, new onset of muscle pain, diarrhea, loss of sense of taste or smell, and difficulty breathing.

In children, symptoms have also included purple markings on the fingers and toes.

People with one of those symptoms should:

  • Stay at home.

  • Call Tele-Care 811 or their doctor.

  • Describe symptoms and travel history.

  • Follow instructions.

 

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David Amos
"The New Brunswick Human Rights Commission chair Claire Roussel-Sullivan said the government’s mandatory mask rule in public spaces is "reasonable and balanced in light of the public health goal and urgency.”

Yea Right So says the politically appointed minion who was give her new ob 3 day before Higgy dropped the writ on an election nobody wanted

Methinks she is merely doing as ordered justlike all the others who had that position before her did N'esy Pas?
 
 
Emery Hyslop-Margison
Reply to @David Amos: wear the stupid face diaper and get the vaccine! Let’s move on from this BS.
 
 
Lou Bell
Reply to @David Amos: Take it to court . Like all the other cases you promised to , yet DIDN'T !
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: maybe you'll get covid and you'll drop... the writ. Hahaha
 
 
Justin Gunther
Reply to @Emery Hyslop-Margison: I can think of 81 reasons to not give a crap about getting the vaccine. Precisely 81. It might take me four years or more before I retire from that train of thought, but the good news for me is it doesn't really matter what you think about it until the "vaccine industry" gets its house in order.
 
 
Lou Bell
Reply to @Justin Gunther: And may you get out of it what you put in ! Which is basically nothing ! Then we can all clap !
 
 
Justin Gunther
Reply to @Lou Bell: I agree sir, the 81 elephants in all of the precincts and courtrooms are as large and conspicuous everybody knows they are.
 
 
Justin Gunther
Reply to @Lou Bell: as
 
 
Justin Gunther
Reply to @Lou Bell: All I know is that if if graffiti tagged 81 things in broad daylight pretty much everybody would know that I did. Like literally everybody. Because how can you graffiti tag 81 things without literally everybody around you knowing that?

But I'm going to keep putting things into things and see what happens. Have a nice night Lou!
 
 
Stephan Sommers 
Reply to @Justin Gunther: I too will wait a few years to get a covid vaccine. Lets see how effective and without issues the first batch is then make the call from studies.
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @Justin Gunther: You flush the meds again?
 
 
Ray Oliver
Reply to @Justin Gunther: and the irony is on a few occasions I've seen you talk of peoples incomprehensible posts. Graffiti tags and 81 things.. LOL
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Ray Oliver:
I had a Mexican bean/beef/and rice dinner last night, and dropped my own writ this morning, early.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Notice little Lou invited me to sue her again?
 
 
David White 
Reply to @David Amos: How is all this suing working out for ya Davie? Wethinks not so well N'esy Pas? 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Ben Haroldson 
looks like higgs knew what he was doing when he called he election when he did. The fat lady hadn't even warmed up on covid. What a guy. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Notice they aren't even claiming "travel related" anymore.
 
 
Nicholas Rioux
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Notice that they just did some MASS TESTING to the extent that the results of all the tests were not available yet. Do you think that might be the reason they haven't been able to investigate let alone come to any conclusion yet?
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Nicholas Rioux:
I think, if you watch this space closely, you will see a definite shift away from anything that could be considered bad policy, as the powers that be have decided to deflect any/all blame to the citizens.
 
 
Ben Haroldson
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: That's because they have been allowing people to travel, contrary to what they've been telling you.
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Ben Haroldson:
If you read carefully, they can't even keep their stories straight, within the same news item. It is to the point I don't find much, if anything, credible here anymore.

 

 


N.B. COVID-19 roundup: 3 new cases in province, mass testing for Belledune

Asymptomatic people can be tested in Belledune on Friday after case at generating station

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Three new cases of COVID-19 were announced in New Brunswick on Wednesday.

The cases include two people in their 20s in the Fredericton region, Zone 3, and someone 70 to 79 years old in the Campbellton region, Zone 5.

Public Health said the new Zone 3 cases are related to international travel, while the Zone 5 case remains under investigation.

Eight more people have recovered since Tuesday, bringing the province's total number of active cases down to 47. Four people are in the hospital but no one is in the intensive care unit.

There are 33 active cases in the Campbellton region, nine active cases in the Moncton region, Zone 1, and five active cases in the Fredericton region.

New Brunswick has reported a total of 337 confirmed cases of COVID-19. There have been 284 recoveries and six deaths. 

The province conducted 753 tests on Tuesday for a total of 100,507 since the start of the pandemic in March.



(CBC)

Mass testing planned for Belledune

Health officials announced plans to hold a mass testing event later this week in Belledune, where an employee at NB Power's Belledune Generating Station tested positive for COVID-19. 

Mayor Joe Noel said NB Power informed him of the case on Oct. 18. He did not know if the worker was from Belledune or another community.

Mass testing will be offered on a first-come, first-served basis only for those who do not have symptoms of COVID-19. People are asked to bring their New Brunswick medicare card.

The testing clinic will be held on Friday, Oct. 30, at the Belledune Recreation and Cultural Centre from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m.

Belledune was originally not included when an outbreak sent the Campbellton region back into the orange phase of recovery efforts on Oct 9. The village about 77 kilometres southeast of Campbellton was brought under orange-level restrictions on Oct. 22.


A worker at NB Power's generating plant in Belledune tested positive for COVID-19. (CBC)

The Vitalité Health Network said in a news release the goal of the mass testing is to "get an accurate picture" of the presence of COVID-19 in the community.

Residents of other health zones are asked not to attend. 

Since the clinic is for those without symptoms, people who get tested will not be required to self-isolate while waiting for results. Those with symptoms should call Tele-Care 811 or complete the province's online self-assessment tool to schedule an appointment. 

What to do if you have a symptom

People concerned they might have COVID-19 symptoms can take a self-assessment test on the government website at gnb.ca. 

Public Health says symptoms shown by people with COVID-19 have included: a fever above 38 C, a new cough or worsening chronic cough, sore throat, runny nose, headache, new onset of fatigue, new onset of muscle pain, diarrhea, loss of sense of taste or smell, and difficulty breathing.

In children, symptoms have also included purple markings on the fingers and toes.

People with one of those symptoms should:

  • Stay at home.

  • Call Tele-Care 811 or their doctor.

  • Describe symptoms and travel history.

  • Follow instructions.

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Lou Bell
Appears the deniers have smartened up , be it the fines or whatever , and great to see positive results . Keep up the good work all .
 
 
Paul Miller
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Reply to @Lou Bell:
 
 
Murray Brown
Reply to @Lou Bell: So everybody is wearing their mask... Why are the rates going up?
 
 
Cheryl MacLeod
Reply to @Murray Brown: Masks do not solve everything. They are just one piece of the strategy.
 
 
Bill Vasseur
Reply to @Cheryl MacLeod: PEI has no Mask mandate and they currently have Zero cases I believe.
 
 
Cheryl MacLeod
Reply to @Bill Vasseur: Again, one part of an overall strategy. The mask policy can't be properly reviewed in isolation unless you compared it to a community with similar population, income, living conditions and social behavior. We don't have the luxury of designing strategies unique to each individual town or city. Public health is about broad measures to capture as many variables as possible. For all the critics, maybe they should take a class on this stuff to really understand it first.
 
 
Georges Saint Yves 
Reply to @Murray Brown: 114 cases since the mask mandate
 
 
David  Amos
Reply to @Paul Miller: Good luck shaming little Lou into acting ethically
 
 
Dan Stewart
Reply to @Paul Miller: Fining isn't shaming.
 
 
Bill Vasseur
Reply to @Cheryl MacLeod: I'm sorry but I only have a Bachelors degree not a PHD, how does PEI differ from NB, they're not some 3rd world country!!
 
 
Paul Miller
Reply to @Dan Stewart: right, that's why I said fining AND shaming.
 
 
Dan Stewart
Reply to @Paul Miller: Glad you now know there is a difference...So, you actually do know they are only fining people right?
 
 
Paul Miller
Reply to @Dan Stewart: rrrrrrright...
 
 
Cheryl MacLeod
Reply to @Bill Vasseur: Nor do I have a PhD. Sorry that my frustration on this, the mask argument is getting to me a little bit. To answer in general terms, PEI has more farmers, their population density is lower, foreign ownership of property and business is high and those residents are largely absent right now. When we look at how people behave, church communities for example tend to be more social by nature, so more together time, but other groups - even industries have varying social patterns. It is virtually useless to compare cities to towns, let alone two separate provinces. Public health has to come up with policies that fit a wide range of conditions. Compliance of the whole strategy is key to success, as strategy components are generally layered and interlinked. It is very hard to measure one component of a complete strategy, except perhaps in retrospect and only because of public resistance in certain areas. Applying scientific method to study the strategy is a rigorous process, it won't happen while we're experiencing the pandemic. The academics are not dumping on us here. They know what they are doing.
 
 
Dan Stewart
Reply to @Paul Miller: Good to hear you're finally getting it Paul...
 
 
Lou Bell
Reply to @Paul Miller: You said it , not me ! I said nothing of the sort ! Social media antics are a failure Paul . Try again !
 
 
Lou Bell
Reply to @David Amos: Sue me !!
 
 
Paul Miller
Reply to @Lou Bell: um... many experts disagree and are silenced. MSM doesn't want you thinking for yourself or doing your own research.
 
 
Amajor Hall  
Reply to @Bill Vasseur: NB had no mask mandate and they had 0 cases and then masks and you know the rest of the story!!
 
 
Tom Campbell 
Reply to @Murray Brown: New Brunswick wasn't under mask advisory when this spike started. Keep up. There has been an upward spiral in NB numbers since Sep 8.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Kate LeBlanc
Why are we still allowing international travel when Europe doesn't allow Canadians in anymore?
 
 
Cheryl MacLeod
Reply to @Kate LeBlanc: Work related travel that is considered essential.
 
 
Bill Vasseur
Reply to @Kate LeBlanc: You can Fly to the US anytime you want.
 
 
Cheryl MacLeod
Reply to @Bill Vasseur: Yep, the US holds the line on that decision and those planes have to fly anyway for essential travel.
 
 
SarahRose Werner 
Reply to @Kate LeBlanc: The European countries are hardly the only ones on the planet. New Brunswick residents who go abroad for whatever reason (work, study, compassionate reasons) are allowed to come home. In most cases they must then self-isolate for 14 days. People from other countries are also allowed to enter Canada under federal laws in specific cases. Again, they must usually self-isolate for 14 days.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Bill Vasseur: Go figure
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @David Amos:
You just don't want to say they seem to make up whatever rules whenever they like................... but, whatever today's rules, play nice or they will send the police, maybe.
 
 
Nicholas Rioux
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: So are you happy that they mentioned travel related today? ;)
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Nicholas Rioux:
Happy as a clam living in very polluted water. How about you? Ready for another go at groundhog day "a la Higgs"?
 
 
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/woodstock-school-confirms-covid-19-case-1.5785049

 

N.B. COVID roundup: 1 new case at Woodstock school, Halloween guidance

Case confirmed at Townsview School, which has about 600 students

  • Positive case at Townsview school
  • Woodstock mayor confident in response
  • 1 new case in the Fredericton region
  • 'Steady' turnout at Belledune mass testing
  • Public Health guidance for Halloween

A Woodstock school is reporting a confirmed case of COVID-19.

The case is at Townsview School, which has about 600 students in grades K-8.

David McTimoney, superintendent of the Anglophone West School District, confirmed the case on Saturday. Parents and staff were notified through a letter.

McTimoney said he could not specify whether the case is a student or staff member. 

"We know that the school and the district will work through this situation together and respond as needed," he said.

The school will remain open on Monday. Public Health is conducting contact tracing and will notify people who need to self-isolate and get tested.

Townsview is the seventh school in New Brunswick to report a case of COVID-19, and the first outside the Campbellton region (Zone 5). Woodstock is in Zone 3. 


David McTimoney is the superintendent of the Anglophone West School District. (CBC)

McTimoney said communication with Public Health officials has gone well. 

"We're ready for the days ahead," he said.

Mayor confident in response

The case of COVID-19 in the border community comes after cases have more than doubled in nearby Maine.

While the U.S. land border remains closed to most travel, some essential workers are still permitted to cross.

Woodstock Mayor Arthur Slipp first heard of the case at the school when reached by CBC News. He said the province has tightened entry requirements for visitors from Maine.

"I've had conversations with only mayors along the border and we were very, very pleased to see the province step forward with more supervision and regulation of cross-border traffic," he said.

New Brunswick announced a set of modified self-isolation guidelines for workers on Thursday. It does not apply to daily commuters or truckers.

Workers will be able to leave isolation to access essential goods and services, provided they wear a mask and practise physical distancing. 


Woodstock Mayor Arthur Slipp said trick-or-treating is discouraged in the community this Halloween. (Sarah Morin/CBC)

Slipp said Carleton County has been proactive in following Public Health guidelines and he has confidence in response efforts.

The town's council passed a resolution discouraging trick-or-treating on Halloween this year. A "tunnel of doom" is being held this afternoon at the AYR Motor Centre as an alternative event, along with a scarier version at night for older kids. 

"We were discouraging large groups and gatherings of youth in particular to go throughout different sections of town," Slipp said.

The Woodstock Minor Hockey Association cancelled hockey for all divisions this weekend, as a "precautionary measure" while contact tracing is underway. 

An unrelated hockey game scheduled for Friday, Nov. 6 in the Campbellton region has been pushed back due to orange-level restrictions in that area. The Grand Falls Rapids and the Campbellton Tigers will now play at the Campbellton Memorial Civic Centre on Nov. 13 at 7 p.m., if health guidelines permit.

1 new case

New Brunswick announced one new case of COVID-19 and two recoveries on Saturday.

The case is an individual age 19 or under in the Fredericton region. Public Health said it is connected to an existing case related to international travel, and the individual is self-isolating.

The province now has 39 active cases of the virus. Five people are in the hospital, but no one is in intensive care.

There are 27 active cases in the Campbellton region, seven active cases in the Fredericton region, and four active cases in the Moncton region (Zone 1). 

There have been 343 confirmed cases of COVID-19 in New Brunswick. Six people have died and 299 have recovered.

The province conducted 568 tests on Friday for a total of 102,163 since the start of the pandemic in March.

'Steady' turnout at Belledune mass testing

Public Health said 259 individuals turned out to a mass testing clinic offered in Belledune on Friday. That community borders the Campbellton and Bathurst regions and was moved back to the orange level last week-

Mayor Joe Noel said on Friday there was "steady stream" of people going to get tested throughout the day.

"I don't see very many people not abiding by the rules, which is a good thing," he told Shift NB. "People are concerned for themselves and for their neighbours, and you know for their parents and grandparents.


A worker at NB Power's Belledune Generating Station tested positive for COVID-19. Mass testing was held in the community on Friday. (Environment and Climate Change Canada)

Noel said returning to orange was "a necessity" and he's pleased with the response from Public Health.

The village postponed a drive-thru trick-or-treating event which will be rescheduled for early November.

"Children and their parents in the Woodstock area should continue to feel confident about enjoying Halloween as planned if they have not received a call from Public Health," said Bruce Macfarlane, a spokesperson for Public Health.

Halloween guidance

Trick-or-treating is allowed to proceed in yellow level regions of New Brunswick on Saturday.

But going door-to-door will not be permitted in the Campbellton region, which remains in the orange phase.

Public Health says people who are handing out treats should sanitize their hands between visitors, keep high-touch areas such as door handles and railings clean and consider offering non-food treats such as stickers.

Trick-or-treaters should also wash their hands before heading out and upon returning home.


 New Brunswick Public Health has issued guidelines for trick-or-treating. (John Robertson/CBC)

Other recommendations include:

  • Do not wear Halloween masks, only COVID-19 masks.
  • Consider organizing costume parades so children can show off their costumes while maintaining physical distancing.
  • Trick-or-treaters should limit themselves to one neighbourhood and keep track of where they go.
  • Do not permit children to take candy from a bowl of treats unless the treats are arranged so that children wonʼt come in contact with other treats when they grab theirs. Doing up individual treat bags is a good option.
  • People who don't want to participate should put up a sign, such as: Have a happy and safe Halloween; no visitors please.

Public Health has created a COVID-19: Have a Fun and Safe Halloween list of guidelines.

What to do if you have a symptom

People concerned they might have COVID-19 symptoms can take a self-assessment test on the government website at gnb.ca. 

Public Health says symptoms shown by people with COVID-19 have included: a fever above 38 C, a new cough or worsening chronic cough, sore throat, runny nose, headache, new onset of fatigue, new onset of muscle pain, diarrhea, loss of sense of taste or smell, and difficulty breathing.

In children, symptoms have also included purple markings on the fingers and toes.

People with one of those symptoms should:

  • Stay at home.

  • Call Tele-Care 811 or their doctor.

  • Describe symptoms and travel history.

  • Follow instructions.

About the Author

Alexandre Silberman is a reporter with CBC New Brunswick based in Fredericton. He can be reached at alexandre.silberman@cbc.ca

With files from Philip Drost

 

 

59 Comments
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Bill Vasseur
Gonna have to pull some of the Secret Covid Police out of Campbellton!! 
 
 
Joseph Carrier 
Reply to @Bill Vasseur: Laugh it up furball...Glad to see sickness is funny for you in your attempt to be a human being...Go up to Dalhousie and say that out loud sunshine...
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Justin Gunther
"More to come"
If you insist.
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Justin Gunther:
Groundhog Day a la Higgs, lots more mileage in this story, stay tuned.
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Huh, that's Zone 3. I wonder if it's related to the travel-related cases we've seen in Zone 3 the past few days?
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @SarahRose Werner:
Woodstock is a bit of a transportation hub with quite a few trucking companies.
Translation: lots of workers deemed essential.
It was only a matter of time under the current very lax rules.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Matt Steele
Hopefully it remains an isolated case , with no further spread . Best of luck folks .
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Matt Steele:
Don't count on it. Distancing and arrows in stores were rendered meaningless by everyone having to wear masks in most folks minds up this way. Hope is good, but actions are really what counts. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Justin Gunther
I would love to see our culture shift to one that is not even remotely concerned about the day to day minutia of the COVID phenomenon.
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Justin Gunther:
I believe most are sick and tired of Groundhog Day "a la Higgs".
I just pass by to see the daily dose of whoppers, and tall tales, though I do admit to getting angry when incompetence costs lives.
 
 
Justin Gunther
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: I'd like to know how long we're supposed to keep doing this? Until we get our 358,000,000 doses of vaccine ready to go so that half the country can politely decline?

Sick of it is an understatement. They call it "Covid fatigue" because they absolutely must craft clever names for things. I'm leaning hard towards calling it something else entirely but I won't because I'd like these words to show up on this page.
 
 
Justin Gunther
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: The micromanagement of society is a categorical failure. It's more suspicious than incompetent at this point.
 
 
Justin Gunther
Reply to @Justin Gunther: I'm hoping and praying whatever happens after Tuesday might bring us around a little bit. Locking down for the purposes of curve flattening sure did work well in America.
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Justin Gunther: This will go on as long as they can keep selling it. It seems fear is a big seller, you have only to look how the American election is being packaged, and sold to us.
"The vaccine" and it's reception will be another matter entirely. I'm hearing 2 doses, a week apart, every 2 years. Certainly a gift to some that will keep giving forever.
We will see what they use for a medium, there are more folks than ever allergic to eggs, which should make things interesting.
 
 
Justin Gunther
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: COVID alert still sitting at 1M+ downloads in the android store. What exactly does our government think it's doing?
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Justin Gunther:
Keeping close track of us. A lot of us live rurally, many times our phones don't ping off more than one tower at a time, you can't triangulate a single ping.
 
 
Justin Gunther
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: I fear something far worse has already happened but I won't articulate it just yet and maybe not for a while and maybe never.
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Justin Gunther:
There is a GPS chip in your phone, just like with on-star in your vehicle, but they either need a warrant, or your permission, to activate it and use it as an identifier. By downloading the app and installing it you are giving permission.
 
 
Lou Bell 
Reply to @Justin Gunther: Yeah that " upcoming bend in the road " Trump refers to is like putting the carrot in front of the donkey ! His base should know by now they'll never get a nibble of the carrot ! They're not very bright. And we know what they call people doing the same thing over and over and thinking things are gonna change ! They just never learn . Keep chasing that carrot Trumpers !
 
 
Johnny Almar
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: the app self-installed from Apple on an update. I will never enable it.
 
 
Johnny Almar
Reply to @Johnny Almar: they say it only works via Bluetooth but it’s the government.
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

 

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