Sunday 27 August 2017

OH MY The CBC publishes a report of the questionable legal actions of a Killer who is a Former Member of the RCMP who no doubt still collecting his fancy pension

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/rcmp-wife-killer-estate-1.4239974

'Vindictive and callous': Ex-Mountie wife killer costs family $45K fighting estate


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Dave Anderson 
Dave Anderson
Lawyers are parasites, its why criminals love them.


Ron Vollans
Ron Vollans
@Dave Anderson

"99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name." old joke.


David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Ron Vollans I believe when that joke first surfaced a slide rule was in everybody who counts briefcase Methinks the new computers can refine that percentage to 99.999999999999999999999999999 Give or take one or two



 D. Alex Ross
John Lofthouse
What a piece of work!!!


David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@John Lofthouse Yes I am enjoying this news article too


Mark Mealing 
Mark Mealing
Typical RCMP Ethics: as we’ve seen for years. The only difference between gangsters & some cops is that some gang boys have realized that if they join a Police force, they can go on doing what they did before.


David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Mark Mealing "Typical RCMP Ethics" I wholeheartedly agree Sir


 D. Alex Ross 
D. Alex Ross
How did someone with such personality traits ever get admitted to the police force ?

More scrutiny needs to be exercised in the hiring of police officers.

They are the ones that legally carry weapons among an unarmed public.

I reflect upon other abusive police officers behaviour that has surfaced over the past years.



David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@D. Alex Ross The last thing the RCMP are is ethical Perhaps you should read my lawsuit against the Crown sometime


Friday Jones
Friday Jones 
@D. Alex Ross

People of all sorts of jobs commit horrible crimes. But, it's seldom you see 'retired doctor' or 'retired teacher' as the headlines. Why? Aren't teachers important influences? To take the spin further, couldn't 1000's of young minds have been corrupted by a teacher that later in life killed someone?

Take a good look at how the media choses which suspects to highlight... which traits they pick. Look at how many cop-shooting stories are ONLY told when the cops is white, and the suspect is black. Look at how many cops are shot by black suspects and their race isn't mentioned anywhere... no mug shots... you have to google them to find their photos on 2nd tier news sites.

There are about 70,000 police officers in Canada... around 200 per 100,000. About .002 percent of the population. The homicide rate in Canada is 1.56 per 100,000. I can't find any evidence that the murder rate BY police is out of line with the national average... which neither a 'good' thing, or a 'bad' thing - but if you're trying to connect something to murder rates, start looking at significant issues... like race/culture.

But, can't talk about that here... fake news bans truth.


David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Friday Jones Methinks you should start reading the results of my investigations into the actions of cops


David Raymond Amos
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David Raymond Amos
@David Raymond Amos CBC moderators can block me all they wish Their bosses and the RCMP already know that I already blogged and tweeted about every single word of this article for legal reasons

http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.ca/2017/08/oh-my-cbc-publishes-report-of.html



Daniel Griffiths
Daniel Griffiths
@David Raymond Amos
While I could not agree more, this guy was not a cop.

 D. Alex Ross
Mackenna Wilson
I'm stunned this psychopath is serving only 13 years. The man is a menace and shouldn't be on the street ever. Her murder sounds like an execution and then he stages the scene to benefit himself. How coldly manipulative is that? And clearly he has no remorse.


Marcel Pellerin
Marcel Pellerin
@Mackenna Wilson

Justice is the result of two lawyers in front of a judge argue as to who will get the less sentence as possible


David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Marcel Pellerin Sad but true


Sean Patrick
 John Gerrits
Cop who shot,9 times,8 times after he was dead,a near defenceless Sammy Yatim........read all about Canadian justice....straight from Mad magazine or The Twilight Zone.According to the defense,the first fatal shot did the deed,the other 8 shots were meaningless since Yatim was already dead.
Canadian justice system....amusing and sad.


David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@John Gerrits You may find it amusing because of lack of empathy However until your suffer from the Crown's abuse you have no right to be sad.


John Gerrits
John Gerrits
@David Raymond Amos It\s like dark comedy....soo sad it's amusing...it shouldn't be happening


Steve Penney
Steve Penney
@John Gerrits

Hero:
"a person noted for courageous acts or nobility of character"
In this case there were no heroes, obviously.

I define hero as one that performs a selfless act, with bravery. Maybe the guy who stood there recording the video of the shooting is the hero to most of us. Otherwise we would only have the police side to the story. And look how unjust and dishonest that would be.

David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@John Gerrits I understand your reasoning so I hope you excuse my being a little testy with you.

FYI I have been living with this crazy circus overseen by the Crown since 1982 That was when the RCMP used to ask me to investigate things for them then turned on me when I testified honestly at a Coroner's Inquest. No joking.


David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Steve Penney I am prod to be the namesake of two heroes of my family and yours. One was honoured with the Victoria Cross


Robert Paul
Robert Paul
@John Gerrits

The police officer was told to go there to protect the public. He shot a man lunging at him with a knife, and now the public turns on him. This is why I don't want to be a police officer. You are caught between a rock and a hard place.

David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Robert Paul Methinks you jest


Jay Bearman 
Jay Bearman
Wiens sounds like a psychopath with him "throwing garbage bags of the victims clothing on the family lawn on the day of the funeral" and abusing the justice system with regards to his former wife's estate.

I have always thought that the best way to determine a person's sociopathic tendencies is to place him or her in a place of power.

I wonder what he was like as a cop.


David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Jay Bearman I am constantly amazed at how many sociopaths are successfully employed by the Crown as cops, lawyers, judges, bureaucrats and politicians etc


 Fred Whalen 
Fred Whalen
Well how do they determine first degree from second degree murder?
A man trained in the safe and proper handling and use of a firearm — sworn to protect and serve — manages to put a bullet in the head of his fiancĂ©e and does so without malice prepense? I suppose he could have just been cleaning his gun behind her ear.


Troy Mann
Troy Mann
@Richard Nichols

Why would you say that?

It's not a factor in determining first degree murder . Did he know that shooting her in the eye would cause death? Yes but that does not mean first degree murder is justified... Any attempt by him to cover up the crime or excuse it does not justify first degree murder...

David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Troy Mann You must be joking


Troy Mann
Troy Mann
@David Raymond Amos

No
He was convicted by a judge for 2nd degree murder, if first was justifiable it would have been the verdict....

David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Troy Mann You obviously have far more faith in politically appointed lawyers than I do

 
Troy Mann
Troy Mann
@David Raymond Amos

Ok, you are one of those


Karin Bougie 
Karin Bougie
I'm of the thinking that if you shoot someone in the face and they die, you should rot in jail, with no privileges of any kind. No lawyers, no way to sue anybody, no nothing. Rot.

But that's just me.


David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Karin Bougie You are not alone in your thinking


Joanne Smith 
Albert Ford Upton
It is time the courts put a stop to these frivolous and vindictive proceedings. This guy has nothing to lose and is venting his vindictiveness through the court system.
Shame on the courts for continuing to allow it to continue.


David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Albert Ford Upton By the same token the Crown should also stop to calling legitimate lawsuits frivolous and vexatious if the complaints point out the failings of the RCMP etc

 
Ron Vollans
Ron Vollans
@Albert Ford Upton
courts can't stop a suit without hearing evidence first. That's what civil rights mean.

David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Ron Vollans I concur


Mike Poska 
Mike Poska
This is all about power and control. Not about money. I would imagine that this woman had endured this all of her married life. Now he still wants control of her even in death.


David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Mike Poska I disagree I think it is all about the money

James Symonds 
James Symonds
just one more sad, sad example of the seeming total dysfunctionality of today's so-called 'justice' system . . . . . where's the COMMON SENSE component? Why are our courts not dismissing out of hand these absolutely inane postures/representations of convicted criminals?? absolutely RIDICULOUS again and again and again!!!!


David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@James Symonds The short answer is rules are rules in a purportedly "Just Democracy" Hence even a killer ex cop has the right to argue about his rights and interests.


 Simeon Reid 
Simeon Reid
Does anyone believe the legal system has evolved for anything but the financial benefit of legal sharks, lawyers and their Godfathers. Judges? It is no longer about justice.


David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Simeon Reid Justice was always a myth Just ask the fellas the Roman's crucified thousands of years ago. Yet lawyers still love to use their lingo. For instance after I trounced the Crown fair and square two years ago they wanted to begin again "De Novo"


John Gaunt
John Gaunt
"Accountability is a significant factor when assessing an offender's reintegration potential and risk to the public,,"

I can assure you the only thing a retired cop knows about "accountability" is that its for someone else.

David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@John Gaunt Methinks they know that long before they retire


Bob Rae
Bob Rae
Weins isn't too bright. If his parole eligibility is 10 years (the minimum) and he continues to victimize the family, he is all but surrendering any hope for seeing the outside of a prison again. Maybe that is a reasonable price for the family to pay so that this creep will never see the outside again.

David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Bob Rae Hey Bob long time no see Do ya still work with Goodmans?


Rusty Shackleford
Ross Heller
RCMP....lol....the continuing walk of shame for these characters.
Why anyone would ever even consider a relationship with this type of deficient character is beyond me.....sort of like dating a terrorist.
I've yet to meet a 'law enforcement' guy (officer?..nope)...who didn't think he was the greatest thing since sliced bread and was pretty sure he knew everything about anything.
98% laughable blowhards....and quite possibly the worst neighbours in the world.
So ladies....if you want to beat up, then get divorced...then date a cop.


Rusty Shackleford
Rusty Shackleford
@Ross Heller Sounds like you've spent a few nights (if not more) on the wrong side of the bars.


Janice Mann
Janice Mann
@Ross Heller It sounds like a fellow like you is just what the RCMP needs. Why not apply, and give them the benefit of your mad character assessment skills?


David Raymond Amos
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David Raymond Amos
@Rusty Shackleford I know I have based on false allegations so I learned the hard way the truth about corrupt cops. Were you one of the dudes on the other side of the bars laughing at my plight?

  
David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Janice Mann 
Methinks I touched a nerve with CBC and the RCMP with my madness


David Raymond Amos
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David Raymond Amos
@Rusty Shackleford The fact that CBC blocked my response to you spoke volumes as to their motives behind the publication of the article N'esy Pas Minister Joly?


David Raymond Amos
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David Raymond Amos
@Lieschen Mueller Interesting that CBC allows direct insults N'esy Pas Minister Joly?
David Raymond Amos
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David Raymond Amos
@David Raymond Amos My My your moderator blocked that observation in record time EH Hubby Lacroix?

Hugh Minet   
Hugh Minet
A bullet to the head = second degree murder? Murder is reason enough to bring back the death penalty and stop the soak of tax dollars spent to house these criminals and give justice to the families who have lost loved ones. Prison is too good for these murderers.


David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Hugh Minet I disagree with the death penalty for the beneft of the wrongfully convicted However don't understand why the victim's family have not sued the killer ex cp for wrongful death and clean him out of his fancy RCMP pension etc so he will be flat busted broke and deep in debt whenever he is released from prison.

Eileen Kinley
Gary Drummond
This is what you get thanks to Pierre Trudeau's "Charter of Rights" ....which gives criminals more rights than victims. We've seen this sort of thing for over 30 years now.


David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Gary Drummond Laws regarding legal arguments about interests in estates were on the book long before Trudeau The Elder was born


Leslie Ward
Leslie Ward
Why is the judge allowing this at all. He killed her, is serving time and that should be the end of it.

Eileen Kinley
Eileen Kinley
@Leslie Ward

What legal argument could the judge use to stop him?

Wilhelm LaRouge
Wilhelm LaRouge
@Eileen Kinley

there is none. the judge should laugh and accept tht he gets paid to listen to shit that wouldnt even fool the viewers of tv court dramas


David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Wilhelm LaRouge I agree


Alf. Mielke
 Joanne Jackson
this guy deserves nothing, should be in jail for the rest of his life


David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Joanne Jackson Methinks her family should sue the killer ex cop for wrongful death and collect his RCMP pension etc


Alf. Mielke
MIke Webster
Estate litigation lawyers see many people fighting for vindictive motives. They often fight until all the money in the estate is gone. That is a better outcome than letting that "wicked" spouse / sibling / relative get the money.


David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@MIke Webster That is absolutely true Sir However everybody knows it is the lawyers who promote the unnecessary extended litigation for their benefit. The same holds true for divorce lawyers etc


Rose Black
 Charles Brody
He sounds to be an extremely unpleasant sort of man.


David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Charles Brody To say the least


Joe Madden 
Joe Madden
This is important, and I hate to have to reiterate this point; the legal system, nay the very Charter, guarantees that women are still classified as objects.

Why?

The Charter guarantees freedom of religion(where the vast majority of the so-called "law" comes from) and as such women are seen as chattel, nothing more.

Suggest one reads crime statistics on how many men are charged with 1st degree murder of their spouses, girlfriends etc.

Less than 20%.

Yet people want religion protected and hence the "law" is protected.

This has less to do with the different strata of law for different income levels and more to do with the fairy tales some of us choose to believe in.

I have a question.

When is the species going to grow up?


David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Joe Madden You are not reading the same Charter I am

 
David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Joe Madden I would love to argue you before the Federal Court of Canada. Perhaps you should intervene in my lawsuit to protect your interests just like the killer ex cop is trying to do with his?

After all if I defeat the Crown's argument it will be your tax funds that will settle my claim. Correct?


Rose Black 
Rose Black
If anyone has had the horrible misfortune to run into a person like that and you manage to get out of their space then run don't walk away and slam the door behind you..you don't want to be tied to that kind of person in any way and I know some are through children etc. They are heartless without a conscious or a care for anyone.


Carl Shulgin
Carl Shulgin
@Carol Duncan ...you just described the cops in general, and the system that spawns them.

High school jocks with low IQ who did poorly in school put on a shiny uniform to "get some respect", and when it doesn't happen, because they don't deserve it, they get angry and violent, and since they lack a moral compass, no action is impermissible if they don't get caught.

This is what we're fomenting.



David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Carl Shulgin "you just described the cops in general, and the system that spawns them."

YUP

Stephen O'Leary
sandy howard
A true psychopath. I hope his ex RCMP status is serving him well in prison. Too bad he's still with us


David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@sandy howard "I hope his ex RCMP status is serving him well in prison"

Me too

 
Lieschen Mueller
Lieschen Mueller
@Stephen O'Leary

You do, but you are just one person and as such nobody!
David Raymond Amos
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David Raymond Amos
@Lieschen Mueller Interesting that CBC allows direct insults N'esy Pas Minister Joly?


David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@David Raymond Amos My My your moderator blocked that observation in record time EH Hubby Lacroix?


Tim Mcgrath 
Tim Mcgrath
As an RCMP veteran,certainly he would be more than aware of what the probation officer is telling him long beforehand. It is painfully evident he doesn't care.

Certainly this attitude has not just arose, it is part of character (or lack thereof).


David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Tim Mcgrath If he cared he would not have murdered the lady in the first place.
  

Louis Levesque
Louis Levesque
This is the only story CBC allows commentary on? The Islam protest in London or the anti English Bill 101 in Quebec story blocked? And Trudeau stories are rarely open? Seems CBC only allows comments on Trump stories.


David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Louis Levesque Not everybody shares your concerns FYI This not Trump story it is about the legal actions of a killer cop that I among many others are enjoying commenting about

  
Jan Böhmermann
Cam Rock
why cant we comment on important international and national matters....i just dont understand. If anything these are the articles that should allow commenting, have a public discussion, share ideas and form help form opinions. Why waste time filtering and monitoring click bait nothing articles. Often the comments have more insight.


Bob Macdonald
Bob Macdonald
@Cam Rock They only allow commenting when they know which way the comments are going to go.


David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Bob Macdonald I agree


 Carl Shulgin 
John Brown
And once again our laws seem to protect the criminals rights just a tad more than the rights of the victim or the victims family. This hug a thug mentality really has to stop. But in won't.


Carl Shulgin
Carl Shulgin
@John Brown Not "hug a thug", "hug a cop".

David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Carl Shulgin Yup


 Ralph Smyth  
Ralph Smyth
Another shining example of a so-called good guy with a gun indeed. Zero remorse, just look what he did the day of her funeral. Talk about psycho. Weins is clearly not mentally fit to represent himself in these proceedings, what kind of judge can't see this? Meanwhile we've got some members of the self proclaimed/so-called law and order crowd here rushing to (quelle surprise) HIS defense, all about HIS/a convicted criminal's rights, some even to the point of victim/gender blaming, talk about the very cherry picking they accuse their political opponents of. More alpha male 'con'trol/freaks, not unlike Mr Wiens himself, such types are THE root of the problem, never the solution. Sickening.

John Wise
John Wise 
@Alf. Mielke

They may "seem to" have more rights,but in fact they have the right to the presumption of innocence and a fair trial. That's about it.

This guy is apparently an unfeeling and vindictive jerk. But how do you stop him from doing what he is doing?

Suppose someone were in jail for a less serious crime,and his wife died while he was in jail. Would he not have the right to represent himself in court in any dispute over the estate? How could you create a law that would deny that right to this creep,while maintaining the right for someone serving time for a minor offense?

David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@John Wise Much to my chagrin I agree with you Sir. In my humble opinion your last name suits you


Glennie Whitford 
Glennie Whitford
" He is also attempting to call police and forensics experts and require the family to go face to face with him during a civil trial."

How did this "thing" ever become a Police Officer? Bet if you asked anyone he grew up with what kind of a guy he was you would hear some interesting, possibly even disturbing stories.


Carl Shulgin
Carl Shulgin
@Glennie Whitford ... what makes you think this is unusual behaviour for the RCMP?


David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Glennie Whitford "Bet if you asked anyone he grew up with what kind of a guy he was you would hear some interesting, possibly even disturbing stories."

I would throw my money in with yours

David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
@Carl Shulgin if you really want to know Perhaps you should Google Federal Court File No T-1557-15

'Vindictive and callous': Ex-Mountie wife killer costs family $45K fighting estate

Former RCMP officer acting as his own legal representative, drags out proceedings

By Kathleen Harris, CBC News Posted: Aug 27, 2017 5:00 AM ET 

Lynn Kalmring was killed by her fiancé in the couple's Penticton, B.C., home in 2011.
Lynn Kalmring was killed by her fiancĂ© in the couple's Penticton, B.C., home in 2011. (Family photo) 

A retired Mountie who murdered his fiancĂ©e with a bullet to the head has cost the victim's sister more than $45,000 in legal costs in an estate battle the family's lawyer calls "vindictive and callous."

Keith Wiens, a retired RCMP officer from British Columbia, is serving a life sentence for second-degree murder for killing his common-law spouse, Lynn Kalmring, on Aug. 16, 2011.

Despite losing all appeals, he is fighting Kalmring's family over the couple's approximately $500,000 in joint assets, acting as his own legal representative in an unusual case that Vancouver lawyer Christopher Watson sees as a deliberate attempt to add distress to the victims.

"This can therefore only be viewed as vindictive and callous and targeted to cause further trauma and grief to the family," he wrote in a letter to Wiens.


Wiens has managed to drag out proceedings by denying liability for Kalmring's death, a manoeuvre from behind bars Watson calls an "abuse of process" and a "waste of time." He is also attempting to call police and forensics experts and require the family to go face to face with him during a civil trial.

"With Mr. Wiens currently in prison, and unrepresented by legal counsel, the challenge will be both to facilitate Mr. Wiens's participation in the process and to prevent abuse and intimidation of members of Ms. Kalmring's family," Watson told CBC News.

Alternatives to face-to-face meeting


Watson said the family will ask the court for alternatives to a face-to-face meeting, including a court order for Wiens to participate by video conference and a requirement that he obtain a lawyer.

"People convicted of violent crimes should never be permitted to face their victims, or survivors of victims, without legal counsel," he said. "Counsel are bound by codes of conduct which require respect and civility. It offends my sense of decency to expose victims or survivors of deceased victims to violent criminals in civil proceedings. Legal proceedings are intimidating enough for some people, having to directly face a violent criminal who injured you or murdered a loved one is not a prospect anyone should have to face."

Kalmring's sister, Donna Irwin, who is executor of the estate, said the legal battle is causing more emotional damage by Wiens, who threw garbage bags of the victim's clothing on the family's lawn the day of her funeral.

"I haven't even had time to grieve for my sister because from the moment he shot her I've been fighting for her," she said.

"It's not like we're asking for anything more than she would be entitled to if it were a divorce. That's the disturbing part of this."

Financial assets from the sale of two homes — one in Penticton, B.C., and another in Arizona — are being held in an estate account and the inheritance has been inaccessible to Kalmring's son, daughter and three grandchildren.

Irwin said the family feels revictimized by Wiens's actions, and the prospect of having to look him in the eye is causing more distress.

'Absolutely terrified'


"He says he has that right. I would be absolutely terrified. I don't want to ever see his face or even be in the same room as this person," Irwin said.

A jury convicted Wiens, who had served with the RCMP in Summerland, B.C., for 20 years, of second-degree murder after only six hours of deliberations in 2013. The Crown said Wiens shot Kalmring in the face during a heated argument, then moved her body and placed a knife in her hand to make the killing appear to be a case of self-defence.

Wiens had claimed he acted in self-defence after Kalmring threatened him with a knife, hysterical because she feared he was going to leave her.

Heidi Illingworth, executive director of the Canadian Resource Centre for Victims of Crime, does not know how common it is for convicted criminals to drag out legal proceedings by acting as their own representative. But she said this is an example of how financial and emotional costs to victims can be "staggering."

Hold offenders to account


"We know of other lifers who have tried to prevent victims' family from accessing minor children or fought custody being given to the victim's surviving family," she said. "This is really unfortunate and it seems the system should be able to hold them more accountable."

Lynn Kalmring
Lynn Kalmring was shot in the face during a heated argument. Her fiancé, Keith Wiens, was convicted of second-degree murder by a jury. (Family photo)

Illingworth wrote to the warden of the federal prison in Ontario where Wiens is now incarcerated, asking why the prisoner is able to "harass" the family by delaying proceedings and refusing to sign paperwork.

A written response from acting warden Kathy Hinch at Bath Institution acknowledged the "negative impact" Wiens is having on the victim's family by preventing the settlement of the estate, and said his parole officer met with him to discuss accountability, insight and victim empathy.

"Accountability is a significant factor when assessing an offender's reintegration potential and risk to the public. Mr. Wiens is very aware of this and encouraged to act accordingly," she wrote.

"Hopefully this meeting will have a positive impact on Mr. Wiens's decision-making in the future, but unfortunately, beyond explaining the ramifications noted above, there is little more that we can do to prevent him from meddling in affairs of the estate and representing his own interests therein."

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