David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
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'He directed me to make the payments': Cohen says Trump's denials aren't believable
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David Amos
Methinks its interesting that
a Yankee lawyer can be sentenced to 3 years hard time but is allowed to
yap it on talk shows instead being sent straight to prison N'esy Pas?
Rick Green
@David Amos
Any chance to slam Trump sells popcorn.
The other low life lawyer Avenatti is another darling of the MSM and the left.
Any chance to slam Trump sells popcorn.
The other low life lawyer Avenatti is another darling of the MSM and the left.
David Amos
@Rick Green YUP
David Amos
@David Amos FYI I called low life lawyer Avenatti as soon as I knew his greasy name
David Amos
Methinks if anyone else
wishes to talk to Mikey Cohen all they have to do is Google the
following to see the cell phone number he sent me shortly after his old
boss took a seat in the Oval Office and he became White House Counsel
RE FATCA, NAFTA & TPP etc ATTN President Donald J. Trump
Trust that Mr Mueller knows that I had talked to Cohen 3 times before the FBI raided his home etc His cell phone records should prove it N'esy Pas?
RE FATCA, NAFTA & TPP etc ATTN President Donald J. Trump
Trust that Mr Mueller knows that I had talked to Cohen 3 times before the FBI raided his home etc His cell phone records should prove it N'esy Pas?
Grace Oliver
With over 5000 documented
falsehoods since taking office, Trump has destroyed his own credibility.
Nothing he says can be believed. Of course he was involved.
Nestor Neville Nelson
@Grace Oliver
Doesn't matter
This is a nothing burger.
A non-issue
Doesn't matter
This is a nothing burger.
A non-issue
Heath Tierney
@Nestor Neville Nelson
Faulty logic again.
trump has been implicated in felonies. By any measure you wish to use, this is a huge problem for a sitting president.
Looking forward to seeing trump and his sheep served up a big slice of crow with their nothing burgers.
Faulty logic again.
trump has been implicated in felonies. By any measure you wish to use, this is a huge problem for a sitting president.
Looking forward to seeing trump and his sheep served up a big slice of crow with their nothing burgers.
Victor Cretu
@Grace Oliver
And who cares?
And who cares?
Victor Cretu
@david mccaig
No surprise here.
Hunting season on everyone linked to Trump.
If you can put Trump name into the article then it's a target!
No surprise here.
Hunting season on everyone linked to Trump.
If you can put Trump name into the article then it's a target!
David Amos
@Heath Tierney "Looking forward to seeing trump and his sheep served up a big slice of crow with their nothing burgers."
Methinks the fat lady has not sung yet Perhaps you should review the other replies I have sent you in the past Furthermore anyone can check out my Twitter account just like they do Trump's N'esy Pas?
Methinks the fat lady has not sung yet Perhaps you should review the other replies I have sent you in the past Furthermore anyone can check out my Twitter account just like they do Trump's N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Victor Cretu "And who cares?"
Methinks Mr Trump, Mr Cohen and Mr Mueller certainly should N'esy Pas?
Perhaps folks should Google the following 3 names to confirm that I am not joking about having dealt with these people.
David Raymond Amos, Robert Mueller, Michael Cohen
Methinks Mr Trump, Mr Cohen and Mr Mueller certainly should N'esy Pas?
Perhaps folks should Google the following 3 names to confirm that I am not joking about having dealt with these people.
David Raymond Amos, Robert Mueller, Michael Cohen
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Former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen gets 3 years in prison
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Charles Griffin
Paul Manafort
Michael Cohen
Rick Gates
Michael Flynn
George Papadopoulos
Wow, becoming part of Trump's inner circle is almost like kiss of death.
Hmmm, one name is missing from the list.
Michael Cohen
Rick Gates
Michael Flynn
George Papadopoulos
Wow, becoming part of Trump's inner circle is almost like kiss of death.
Hmmm, one name is missing from the list.
James Holden
@Charles Griffin
The dominoes are falling.
It seems like slow motion but eventually they will all fall.
The dominoes are falling.
It seems like slow motion but eventually they will all fall.
James Holden
@Sharon Harrison
Don jr and Jarod will be next.
Hopefully they even have enough to charge Ivanka.
At that point Trump will lose it completely and he will be next.
Don jr and Jarod will be next.
Hopefully they even have enough to charge Ivanka.
At that point Trump will lose it completely and he will be next.
David R. Amos
@Charles Griffin Methinks Mr Cohen may remember our conversations and emails now N'esy Pas?
Brian Cohen
@David R. Amos
“N’esy pas”??
Unintelligible in both official languages
Congratulations
“N’esy pas”??
Unintelligible in both official languages
Congratulations
danny powell
@David R. Amos Methinks it's "n'est pas" not "n'esy pas"
David R. Amos
@Brian Cohen "Unintelligible in both official languages "
Methinks your dictates that you are related to Mikey Cohen and no doubt the reason you hate me as well N'esy Pas?
Methinks your dictates that you are related to Mikey Cohen and no doubt the reason you hate me as well N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
@Brian Cohen Just so its not Unintelligible for you I will make the Correction I meant to write "your name"
Brian Cohen
@David R. Amos
"N'esy Pas" is not English or French.
It is gibberish
"N'esy Pas" is not English or French.
It is gibberish
Trump's clash with Democratic leaders may be a glimpse into the next 2 years
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James Holden
James Holden
The ghost of Mike Pence was in the room.
David R. Amos
@James Holden Methinks many ghosts think the plot has just thickened rather nicely N'esy Pas?
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James Holden
@David R. Amos
OK
What's with this N'esy Pas business?
Do you have something against French?
What you keep posting means "Do not go"
N'est pas is the more common phrase that translates to "is not?"
Could it be you're referring to a place where the Scottish monster slips through?
OK
What's with this N'esy Pas business?
Do you have something against French?
What you keep posting means "Do not go"
N'est pas is the more common phrase that translates to "is not?"
Could it be you're referring to a place where the Scottish monster slips through?
Emmanuel Rochon
I think this was a pretty
good indication of why there is such a high staff turnover in the WH.
Trump is incapable of discussion, unwilling to listen and always wanting
to bypass process.
Mag Amherst
@Emmanuel Rochon
so you are saying he has had enough of ineffectual discussions, and processes that serve trough mongering more than providing solutions?
so you are saying he has had enough of ineffectual discussions, and processes that serve trough mongering more than providing solutions?
Rick Wier
@Emmanuel Rochon faced with
smart opposition Trump crumbled, he had no answers except to pout and
blovate, Pence was hilarious in his non support, never saw a guy trying
so hard to be invisible
David R. Amos
@Emmanuel Rochon Methinks the plot has thickened rather nicely N'esy Pas?
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/michael-cohen-sentence-trump-1.4942319
'He directed me to make the payments': Cohen says Trump's denials aren't believable
Trump says Cohen acted of his own volition and it was a private matter, not a campaign expense
Donald Trump's former personal lawyer
says buying the silence of two women because of their alleged affairs
was directly tied to the Republican candidate's prospects in the 2016
U.S. presidential election.
In an interview with Good Morning America that aired Friday, Michael Cohen said Trump "was very concerned about how this would affect the election."
Cohen was sentenced Wednesday to three years in federal prison. He pleaded guilty to several charges, including campaign finance violations and lying to Congress.
Cohen said he secretly used shell companies to make payments of $150,000 and $130,000, respectively, to silence former Playboy model Karen McDougal and adult-film actress Stormy Daniels for the purpose of influencing the 2016 election. The women have claimed they had affairs with Trump after the real estate mogul married his third wife, Melania.
Trump
has insisted he only found out about the payments after they were made,
despite the release of a September 2016 recorded conversation in which
Trump and Cohen can be heard discussing a deal to pay McDougal for her
story of a 2006 affair.
Three days later, the FBI raided Cohen's office, seizing records on topics including the payment to Daniels. Furious, Trump called the raid a "disgrace" and said the FBI "broke into" his lawyer's office.
He also tweeted that "Attorney-client privilege is dead!"
The raid was overseen by the U.S. attorney's office in Manhattan and arose from a referral from special counsel Robert Mueller, who is investigating Russian election interference and potential co-ordination with the Trump campaign.
Earlier
this year, Cohen said he arranged hush money payments to Stormy
Daniels, left, and Karen McDougal, former Playboy playmate of the year,
who have both claimed they had sexual encounters with Trump. (Matt Sayles/Associated Press, Evan Vucci/Associated Press, Dimitrios Kambouris/Getty for Playboy)
In recent weeks, Trump has shifted to asserting they were private transactions that weren't illegal.
"I never directed him to do anything wrong," Trump said of Cohen in an interview with Fox News broadcast on Thursday. "Whatever he did, he did on his own."
Cohen scoffed at that assertion in the ABC interview.
"I don't think there is anybody that believes that," he said. "First of all, nothing at the Trump organization was ever done unless it was run through Mr. Trump."
Cohen said there were certain things he couldn't talk about given that not all investigations have been completed, but that "there's a substantial amount of information that [the special counsel] possessed that corroborates the fact that I am telling the truth."
Cohen, Trump and David Pecker, chairman of the company that owns the National Enquirer, had a meeting at Trump Tower in August of 2015 to discuss ways the media company could help the campaign, including buying the silence of women who might talk publicly about affairs with Trump, according to documents made public by federal prosecutors.
It is part of what makes the case different than the one Trump has brought up this week in comparison, involving President Barack Obama's 2008 campaign. The Federal Election Commission, which typically handles smaller campaign finance violations when the actions aren't wilful and with civil penalties that are typically fines, docked the Obama campaign $375,000 for regulatory civil violations. The fines stemmed from the campaign's failure to report a batch of contributions, totalling nearly $1.9 million, on time in the final days of the campaign.
But
legal analysts said the accusations against Trump could amount to a
felony because they weren't an oversight, but revolve around an alleged
conspiracy to conceal payments from campaign contribution reports — and
from voters.
It's unclear what federal prosecutors in New York will decide to do if they conclude that there is evidence that Trump himself committed a crime.
It
is alleged that the National Enquirer, owned by AMI, which is chaired
by David Pecker, went along with buying the silence of women who might
come forward and allege affairs with Trump. (Marion Curtis via The Associated Press)
Trump
has derided Cohen for co-operating with prosecutors and turning state's
evidence, which is a staple of the criminal justice system.
"It's called flipping and it almost should be illegal," said Trump.
The president has downplayed his involvement with Cohen, who worked for him for a decade, saying he was just a "part-time" or "low-level" lawyer.
Cohen said it was not his intention to embarrass Trump, but that "the man doesn't tell the truth."
"I think the pressure of the job is much more than he thought it would be … he doesn't understand the system," said Cohen, who is due to turn himself in to authorities on March 6.
He attributed his years of doing Trump's bidding to misplaced loyalty.
"I'm angry at myself because I knew what I was doing was wrong," said Cohen.
Cohen,
second from right, Trump's former lawyer, is accompanied Wednesday to
his court appearance by his wife Laura Shusterman, and children Samantha
and Jake. (Craig Ruttle/Associated Press)
Cohen said he feels most badly for his family and for disappointing his parents.
Maurice Cohen, 83, reportedly wrote a letter to the court asking for leniency, in which he detailed the family's history; the elder Cohen survived the Holocaust and emigrated from Poland to Canada, he wrote, attending medical school in Toronto before finding work in the U.S.
Cohen, 52, also pleaded guilty to lying to Congress about statements regarding a potential Trump building project in Moscow. The project, it is alleged, was talked about at the highest levels of Russian government, it was alleged, well into the 2016 campaign.
Trump has insisted the project wasn't a secret.
On Friday, White House spokesperson Hogan Gidley faulted the news media for "giving credence to a convicted criminal," and called Cohen "a self-admitted liar."
Cohen is among a number of people in Trump's orbit who have pleaded guilty to criminal charges. The list also includes his former presidential campaign chair, Paul Manafort, and Manafort's colleague, Rick Gates, former national security adviser Michael Flynn and campaign foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos, who was released last week after serving a short prison sentence.
While Trump has mused about not being opposed to offering a presidential pardon to Manafort, Cohen's prosecution at the state level would make him ineligible for a pardon.
In an interview with Good Morning America that aired Friday, Michael Cohen said Trump "was very concerned about how this would affect the election."
Cohen was sentenced Wednesday to three years in federal prison. He pleaded guilty to several charges, including campaign finance violations and lying to Congress.
Cohen said he secretly used shell companies to make payments of $150,000 and $130,000, respectively, to silence former Playboy model Karen McDougal and adult-film actress Stormy Daniels for the purpose of influencing the 2016 election. The women have claimed they had affairs with Trump after the real estate mogul married his third wife, Melania.
Nothing at the Trump Organization was ever done unless it was run through Mr. Trump.- Michael CohenReturning to Washington on Air Force One on April 6, Trump for the first time answered questions about the reports of the Daniels payment, issuing a blanket denial to reporters while saying they would "have to ask Michael Cohen."
Three days later, the FBI raided Cohen's office, seizing records on topics including the payment to Daniels. Furious, Trump called the raid a "disgrace" and said the FBI "broke into" his lawyer's office.
He also tweeted that "Attorney-client privilege is dead!"
The raid was overseen by the U.S. attorney's office in Manhattan and arose from a referral from special counsel Robert Mueller, who is investigating Russian election interference and potential co-ordination with the Trump campaign.
"I never directed him to do anything wrong," Trump said of Cohen in an interview with Fox News broadcast on Thursday. "Whatever he did, he did on his own."
Cohen scoffed at that assertion in the ABC interview.
"I don't think there is anybody that believes that," he said. "First of all, nothing at the Trump organization was ever done unless it was run through Mr. Trump."
Cohen said there were certain things he couldn't talk about given that not all investigations have been completed, but that "there's a substantial amount of information that [the special counsel] possessed that corroborates the fact that I am telling the truth."
Likely distinction with Obama example
Cohen, Trump and David Pecker, chairman of the company that owns the National Enquirer, had a meeting at Trump Tower in August of 2015 to discuss ways the media company could help the campaign, including buying the silence of women who might talk publicly about affairs with Trump, according to documents made public by federal prosecutors.
It is part of what makes the case different than the one Trump has brought up this week in comparison, involving President Barack Obama's 2008 campaign. The Federal Election Commission, which typically handles smaller campaign finance violations when the actions aren't wilful and with civil penalties that are typically fines, docked the Obama campaign $375,000 for regulatory civil violations. The fines stemmed from the campaign's failure to report a batch of contributions, totalling nearly $1.9 million, on time in the final days of the campaign.
It's unclear what federal prosecutors in New York will decide to do if they conclude that there is evidence that Trump himself committed a crime.
"It's called flipping and it almost should be illegal," said Trump.
The president has downplayed his involvement with Cohen, who worked for him for a decade, saying he was just a "part-time" or "low-level" lawyer.
'I'm angry at myself'
Cohen said it was not his intention to embarrass Trump, but that "the man doesn't tell the truth."
"I think the pressure of the job is much more than he thought it would be … he doesn't understand the system," said Cohen, who is due to turn himself in to authorities on March 6.
He attributed his years of doing Trump's bidding to misplaced loyalty.
"I'm angry at myself because I knew what I was doing was wrong," said Cohen.
Maurice Cohen, 83, reportedly wrote a letter to the court asking for leniency, in which he detailed the family's history; the elder Cohen survived the Holocaust and emigrated from Poland to Canada, he wrote, attending medical school in Toronto before finding work in the U.S.
Cohen, 52, also pleaded guilty to lying to Congress about statements regarding a potential Trump building project in Moscow. The project, it is alleged, was talked about at the highest levels of Russian government, it was alleged, well into the 2016 campaign.
Trump has insisted the project wasn't a secret.
On Friday, White House spokesperson Hogan Gidley faulted the news media for "giving credence to a convicted criminal," and called Cohen "a self-admitted liar."
Cohen is among a number of people in Trump's orbit who have pleaded guilty to criminal charges. The list also includes his former presidential campaign chair, Paul Manafort, and Manafort's colleague, Rick Gates, former national security adviser Michael Flynn and campaign foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos, who was released last week after serving a short prison sentence.
While Trump has mused about not being opposed to offering a presidential pardon to Manafort, Cohen's prosecution at the state level would make him ineligible for a pardon.
With files from The Associated Press and Reuters
Former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen gets 3 years in prison
Cohen says loyalty led him to cover up for Trump's 'dirty deeds'
Michael Cohen, U.S. President Donald Trump's former lawyer, has
been sentenced to three years in prison for crimes including campaign
finance violations and lying to Congress.
Cohen apologized for his actions and told U.S. District Judge William Pauley III that "blind loyalty" to Trump led him to "cover up his dirty deeds."
Cohen, 52, pleaded guilty to making false statements in 2017 to the Senate intelligence committee about a plan to build a Trump Tower in Moscow. He earlier pleaded guilty in August to eight separate counts, including campaign finance violations that he said he carried out in co-ordination with Trump.
At that time, Cohen said he secretly used shell companies to make payments of $150,000 US and $130,000, respectively, to silence former Playboy model Karen McDougal and adult-film actress Stormy Daniels for the purpose of influencing the 2016 election. The women have claimed they had affairs with Trump after the real estate mogul married his third wife, Melania.
Pauley
characterized Cohen's offences — which included evading $1.4 million in
taxes related to his personal businesses — as a "veritable smorgasbord
of fraudulent conduct."
Cohen was sentenced to three years for the payments, and two months for lying to Congress, but the penalties will be concurrent. The court is fined him $50,000 for both cases and ordered three years of supervised release after imprisonment,
Cohen apologized for his actions and told U.S. District Judge William Pauley III that "blind loyalty" to Trump led him to "cover up his dirty deeds."
Cohen, 52, pleaded guilty to making false statements in 2017 to the Senate intelligence committee about a plan to build a Trump Tower in Moscow. He earlier pleaded guilty in August to eight separate counts, including campaign finance violations that he said he carried out in co-ordination with Trump.
At that time, Cohen said he secretly used shell companies to make payments of $150,000 US and $130,000, respectively, to silence former Playboy model Karen McDougal and adult-film actress Stormy Daniels for the purpose of influencing the 2016 election. The women have claimed they had affairs with Trump after the real estate mogul married his third wife, Melania.
Cohen was sentenced to three years for the payments, and two months for lying to Congress, but the penalties will be concurrent. The court is fined him $50,000 for both cases and ordered three years of supervised release after imprisonment,
Cohen also said he felt it was his duty to cover up the President’s dirty deeds. Says he owns his mistakes and repeated his first loyalty is to his family and country
Michael Cohen in court today makes it clear he’s done with Trump: “history will not remember me as the villain of his story”
He was ordered to surrender on March 6.
Trump has derided Cohen for co-operating with prosecutors, calling him a "weak person," and has downplayed the extent of their professional relationship.
Earlier
this year, Cohen said he arranged hush money payments to Stormy
Daniels, left, and Karen McDougal, former Playboy Playmate of the Year,
who have both said they had sexual encounters with Trump. (Matt Sayles/Associated Press, Evan Vucci/Associated Press, Dimitrios Kambouris/Getty for Playboy)
"Recently
the president tweeted a statement calling me weak and it was correct,
but for a much different reason than he was implying," Cohen said in
court. "It was because time and time again, I felt it was my duty to
cover up his dirty deeds."
Prosecutors had recommended a sentence of four to five years in prison, saying he should receive some credit for his co-operation with special counsel Robert Mueller, but noted that he had not entered into a co-operation agreement with New York authorities.
Cohen's lawyer Guy Petrillo argued for more leniency, stressing that Cohen co-operated despite not knowing the future of the Mueller investigation and whether "the most powerful person in our country" would try to shut down the probe.
Since 2017, Mueller has been investigating allegations of co-ordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the Trump campaign. The two investigations were interconnected — one run by federal prosecutors in New York, the other by the special counsel.
At
the sentencing hearing, a prosecutor in Mueller's office, Jeannie Rhee,
said Cohen "has provided consistent and credible information about core
Russia-related issues under investigation." She didn't elaborate.
Cohen was accompanied to court by his wife, daughter and son.
He is among a number of people in Trump's orbit who have pleaded guilty to criminal charges. The list also includes his former presidential campaign chair, Paul Manafort, and Manafort's colleague, Rick Gates, former national security adviser Michael Flynn and campaign foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos, who was released last week after serving a short prison sentence.
Trump
appeared in Moscow in October 2013 during a news conference for the
Miss Universe pageant, which was run by his company. He sought to build
in Moscow at various times through the years without success. (Sergei Ilnitsky/EPA)
While
Trump has mused about not being opposed to offering a presidential
pardon to Manafort, Cohen's prosecution at the state level would make
him ineligible for a pardon.
The president has assailed the various investigations, while Russia has denied trying to interfere in the 2016 election for the purposes of sowing discord and improving Trump's prospects.
Trump said the potential Moscow project was well documented, and he emphasized that the plan was abandoned. But the voters weren't fully aware of its existence.
On the subject of the payments, Trump insisted he only found out about them after they were made, despite the release of a September 2016 recorded conversation in which Trump and Cohen can be heard discussing a deal to pay McDougal for her story of a 2006 affair.
Trump has derided Cohen for co-operating with prosecutors and turning state's evidence, which is often a feature of the criminal justice system.
"It's called flipping and it almost should be illegal," said Trump.
Trump was asked earlier this month why he retained Cohen for about a decade.
"Because a long time ago he did me a favour," said Trump.
Trump has derided Cohen for co-operating with prosecutors, calling him a "weak person," and has downplayed the extent of their professional relationship.
Prosecutors had recommended a sentence of four to five years in prison, saying he should receive some credit for his co-operation with special counsel Robert Mueller, but noted that he had not entered into a co-operation agreement with New York authorities.
Cohen's 'credible' information
Cohen's lawyer Guy Petrillo argued for more leniency, stressing that Cohen co-operated despite not knowing the future of the Mueller investigation and whether "the most powerful person in our country" would try to shut down the probe.
Since 2017, Mueller has been investigating allegations of co-ordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the Trump campaign. The two investigations were interconnected — one run by federal prosecutors in New York, the other by the special counsel.
Cohen was accompanied to court by his wife, daughter and son.
He is among a number of people in Trump's orbit who have pleaded guilty to criminal charges. The list also includes his former presidential campaign chair, Paul Manafort, and Manafort's colleague, Rick Gates, former national security adviser Michael Flynn and campaign foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos, who was released last week after serving a short prison sentence.
The president has assailed the various investigations, while Russia has denied trying to interfere in the 2016 election for the purposes of sowing discord and improving Trump's prospects.
Trump said the potential Moscow project was well documented, and he emphasized that the plan was abandoned. But the voters weren't fully aware of its existence.
On the subject of the payments, Trump insisted he only found out about them after they were made, despite the release of a September 2016 recorded conversation in which Trump and Cohen can be heard discussing a deal to pay McDougal for her story of a 2006 affair.
Trump has derided Cohen for co-operating with prosecutors and turning state's evidence, which is often a feature of the criminal justice system.
"It's called flipping and it almost should be illegal," said Trump.
Trump was asked earlier this month why he retained Cohen for about a decade.
"Because a long time ago he did me a favour," said Trump.
With files from Associated Press
Trump's clash with Democratic leaders may be a glimpse into the next 2 years
With Democrats set to control the House, televised spat was tense
The president of the United States. Rebuked in his own house by
Democratic leaders. With the cameras rolling at his own invitation.
If Donald Trump wasn't feeling the effects of a new, post-midterms power realignment in Washington before, he likely was on Tuesday afternoon during a remarkable standoff in the Oval Office with Democratic House leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer.
Trump wants $5 billion to fund his border wall with Mexico; Democrats will only agree to $1.3 billion for "border security," not a wall. If the two sides can't reach an agreement by Dec. 21, funding for some government agencies expires, triggering a shutdown. Pelosi branded the scenario in personal terms.
"You should not have a Trump shutdown," she said.
"A what?" Trump asked. "Did you say 'Trump'—?"
"Trump shutdown. You have the White House, you have the Senate, you have the House of
Representatives, you have the votes, you should pass it right now," Pelosi said, urging him to support spending legislation to avert the shutdown.
Trump fired back. There was little point in passing a government funding bill, he argued, if it would fall in the Senate. More crosstalk followed as Schumer also piled on. Voices were raised.
If Donald Trump wasn't feeling the effects of a new, post-midterms power realignment in Washington before, he likely was on Tuesday afternoon during a remarkable standoff in the Oval Office with Democratic House leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer.
Trump wants $5 billion to fund his border wall with Mexico; Democrats will only agree to $1.3 billion for "border security," not a wall. If the two sides can't reach an agreement by Dec. 21, funding for some government agencies expires, triggering a shutdown. Pelosi branded the scenario in personal terms.
"You should not have a Trump shutdown," she said.
"A what?" Trump asked. "Did you say 'Trump'—?"
"Trump shutdown. You have the White House, you have the Senate, you have the House of
Representatives, you have the votes, you should pass it right now," Pelosi said, urging him to support spending legislation to avert the shutdown.
Trump fired back. There was little point in passing a government funding bill, he argued, if it would fall in the Senate. More crosstalk followed as Schumer also piled on. Voices were raised.
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Trump and Democrats argue over border security
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Pelosi and Schumer suggested repeatedly that they take the debate away from the gaggle of press — an idea Trump dismissed, saying he liked the "transparency." In the middle of the tense 17-minute exchange, Pelosi came to a regrettable conclusion: "This has spiralled downward."
Maybe. But the president ought to get used to this as he braces for a new Congress in January, when Democrats take control of the lower chamber from Republicans. The House is now the ultimate check and balance.
'Used them as props'
It's a new reality, said Brent Budowsky, a columnist for the U.S. politics website The Hill who formerly worked for Democratic leaders in Congress.
"It's opening day of a baseball season where there are totally new teams out there," Budowsky said. "Today was like the first inning."
Democrats ended the "one-party state," he said, and Trump will have to come to grips with the fact he "won't pass one piece of legislation — one spending bill, nothing — that the Democratic House doesn't agree with."
There's little that's remarkable about the president and influential lawmakers staking out new power relationships or making entry bids in advance of negotiations. What's unusual is that it unfolded publicly, offering a crystal-ball glimpse of the two years ahead for a divided government.
"But
this doesn't have to do with divided government," said Mark Harkins, a
senior fellow at the Government Affairs Institute at Georgetown
University. "This has to do with the fact that president Trump brought
in two Democrat leaders and used them as props.
"This is what negotiation looks like when you have a reality-TV star as your president."
Only, Pelosi and Schumer weren't so willing to sit passively.
As much as Trump may be a master of media, Schumer and Pelosi aren't neophytes, having a combined half-century of experience in the U.S. Congress.
As they sparred, Trump said he could get a House majority to pass a spending bill.
"Then do it," Pelosi challenged.
Then Schumer repeatedly brought up wanting to avoid a shutdown — and the president handed Democrats a perfect sound bite for who to blame if it happened, declaring: "I am proud to shut down the government for border security."
Schumer grinned. (Vice-President Mike Pence, seated beside Trump, never spoke a word.)
"That's
where the president started to lose some of the rhetorical battle,"
Harkins said. "I don't know if he was baited — if that's the right
terminology — but I think he was willing to say 'Yeah, this is good
politics: If you don't give me border security, I'd be behind shutting
down the government.'"
The problem is that owning a shutdown, advocating for one or being seen as the cause of one is generally regarded as unwise. A majority of Americans would prefer to keep the government running and compromise on a border wall.
"You live by the camera, you die by the camera," said Ross Baker, a political science professor at Rutgers University. "And I think that anybody who says that he came out of there in a commanding position really misinterpreted the event."
Rachel Bovard, policy director at the Washington-based Conservative Partnership Institute, which advocates for conservative causes, saw Trump's decision to make the clash public as a presidential power move — Trump establishing the negotiating tactics Democratic leaders can expect for the next two years.
Bovard believes pundits might be underestimating just how symbolically important the border wall is to his base, which comprises an estimated 32 per cent of Americans.
A
woman carries her son near the border between the United States and
Mexico, in Tijuana. Trump is fighting with Democrats over funding for
the wall he promised to build on the southern U.S. border. (Mohammed Salem/Reuters)
Tax
reform wasn't "wildly popular" with core supporters, she said. But
getting $5 billion approved for the funding of a wall is "representative
of the only accomplishment" Trump devotees can take away from the last
two years of a unified Republican government, she said, seeing as the
Trump
administration has so far failed to fulfil promises to repeal the Affordable Care Act, defund Planned Parenthood or achieve substantive immigration reform.
As for what possessed the president to allow the awkward debate to be televised live, Harkins, with Georgetown University, is still scratching his head.
"He decided to let the other side play. They were in his house, under his rules. He did not have to do that," he said. "What will be fascinating is to watch the next one."
The next one?
That's the thing, Harkins said.
"Do we think he'll learn his lesson from this, or not?"
"This is what negotiation looks like when you have a reality-TV star as your president."
Perfect sound bite
Only, Pelosi and Schumer weren't so willing to sit passively.
As much as Trump may be a master of media, Schumer and Pelosi aren't neophytes, having a combined half-century of experience in the U.S. Congress.
As they sparred, Trump said he could get a House majority to pass a spending bill.
"Then do it," Pelosi challenged.
Then Schumer repeatedly brought up wanting to avoid a shutdown — and the president handed Democrats a perfect sound bite for who to blame if it happened, declaring: "I am proud to shut down the government for border security."
Schumer grinned. (Vice-President Mike Pence, seated beside Trump, never spoke a word.)
CBC News
Trump and Democrats argue over wall
Donald Trump tells
Democratic Senate leader Chuck Schumer and Democratic House leader Nancy
Pelosi he'd be proud to shut down the government over funding the wall 0:54
The problem is that owning a shutdown, advocating for one or being seen as the cause of one is generally regarded as unwise. A majority of Americans would prefer to keep the government running and compromise on a border wall.
"You live by the camera, you die by the camera," said Ross Baker, a political science professor at Rutgers University. "And I think that anybody who says that he came out of there in a commanding position really misinterpreted the event."
Will Trump 'learn his lesson'?
Rachel Bovard, policy director at the Washington-based Conservative Partnership Institute, which advocates for conservative causes, saw Trump's decision to make the clash public as a presidential power move — Trump establishing the negotiating tactics Democratic leaders can expect for the next two years.
Bovard believes pundits might be underestimating just how symbolically important the border wall is to his base, which comprises an estimated 32 per cent of Americans.
administration has so far failed to fulfil promises to repeal the Affordable Care Act, defund Planned Parenthood or achieve substantive immigration reform.
As for what possessed the president to allow the awkward debate to be televised live, Harkins, with Georgetown University, is still scratching his head.
"He decided to let the other side play. They were in his house, under his rules. He did not have to do that," he said. "What will be fascinating is to watch the next one."
The next one?
That's the thing, Harkins said.
"Do we think he'll learn his lesson from this, or not?"
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