David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
Methinks that Jacques Poitras of CBC (LIEbrano Propaganda Machine)) would understand what he writes N'esy Pas???
If the Francophonie Games are cancelled, New Brunswick could still have to pay
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David Amos
Hmmm
"Former Liberal ministers said this week that they had not signed a "cahier des charges" — a binding document laying out the province's commitment to the games — as expected in June."
"Article 24 of the "Statuts du Comité international des Jeux de la Francophonie" — the statutes of the games' governing body, the CJIF — says a host government that cancels the event must cover all related costs incurred by the committee."
"When the state or government that was designated to organize an edition of the games decides not to go ahead with the games," the rules say, "expenses either made or promised by the CIJF as well as any financial claims related to a commitment by the CJIF … are assumed by the state or government."
Methinks that whereas Mr Gallant is a lawyer he should at least agree that if the CJIF were to file a lawsuit against us I would have every right to intervene and argue all the lawyers trying to make buck off of this obvious scam N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Methinks whereas there is no record of Mr Gallant being recused then the lawyer should admit that he did not do it N'esy Pas?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/gallant-francophonie-games-controversy-1.4946566
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/gallant-francophonie-games-controversy-1.4946566
Graeme Scott
"Former Liberal ministers
said this week that they had not signed a "cahier des charges" — a
binding document laying out the province's commitment to the games — as
expected in June."
If that statement is true would NB be in fact responsible for cancellation costs? Sounds like it's possible there was never a formal legal agreement entered into to host these games. More clarity needed here CBC.
Even if the province incurs costs to cancel better to throw away a few million to avoid having to spend 60+ million we don't have. Funding these games for any amount more than originally agreed to would be a slap in the face to people who have had a school in Moncton, a courthouse in Fredericton or a museum in Saint John put on indefinite hold.
If that statement is true would NB be in fact responsible for cancellation costs? Sounds like it's possible there was never a formal legal agreement entered into to host these games. More clarity needed here CBC.
Even if the province incurs costs to cancel better to throw away a few million to avoid having to spend 60+ million we don't have. Funding these games for any amount more than originally agreed to would be a slap in the face to people who have had a school in Moncton, a courthouse in Fredericton or a museum in Saint John put on indefinite hold.
Chantal LeBouthi
@Graeme Scott
Yes is written in the process selection
Yes is written in the process selection
David Amos
@Graeme Scott FYI I posted this comment earlier today
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/centennial-building-fredreicton-courthouse-1.4944275
Methinks CBC should read what they write However if a lawsuit were to happen I would have every right to intervene and argue all the lawyers trying to make buck off of the matter N'esy Pas?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/francophonie-games-new-brunswick-costs-higgs-1.4945716
"Former Liberal ministers said this week that they had not signed a "cahier des charges" — a binding document laying out the province's commitment to the games — as expected in June."
Emery Hyslop-Margison
I've been a huge supporter of
sports my entire life. However,the fact New Brunswick was even involved
in the games reflects a hugely political decision designed to secure
support for the Liberals from the Francophones in the province. Tell the
organizers we're out - if they want money as compensation tell them to
see the Liberal Party of New Brunswick. It's difficult to believe our
tax dollars would be wasted so frivolously in this fashion.
Chantal LeBouthi
@Emery Hyslop-Margison
Not all french support liberals you know that right
Not all french support liberals you know that right
Alexandre Hilton
@Emery Hyslop-Margison AS
Chantal is saying, not all Francophones are naive, sycophantic liberal
supporters. In fact, this entire debacle will be counterproductive if
their intent is to garner Francophone support.
@Alexandre Hilton But the
odds are pretty good that provincial Francophones support the Liberals -
look at the percentage votes and demographics in the past provincial
election. Cancelling the games will be spun by the Liberals as Higgs
undercutting Francophone "rights". That's a pretty safe bet.
@Emery Hyslop-Margison I
agree - reality vs. perception. However, many Francophones would rather
have this money funneled to education, hospitals, paramedics, roads,
etc... The average Francophone has never even heard about these games
before.
@Alexandre Hilton
I would prefer good cleaning road with salt in the winter time where I live dam
I would prefer good cleaning road with salt in the winter time where I live dam
Alexandre Hilton
@Emery Hyslop-Margison AS
Chantal is saying, not all Francophones are naive, sycophantic liberal
supporters. In fact, this entire debacle will be counterproductive if
their intent is to garner Francophone support.
Emery Hyslop-Margison
@Alexandre Hilton But the
odds are pretty good that provincial Francophones support the Liberals -
look at the percentage votes and demographics in the past provincial
election. Cancelling the games will be spun by the Liberals as Higgs
undercutting Francophone "rights". That's a pretty safe bet.
Alexandre Hilton
@Emery Hyslop-Margison I
agree - reality vs. perception. However, many Francophones would rather
have this money funneled to education, hospitals, paramedics, roads,
etc... The average Francophone has never even heard about these games
before.
Chantal LeBouthi
@Alexandre Hilton
I would prefer good cleaning road with salt in the winter time where I live dam
I would prefer good cleaning road with salt in the winter time where I live dam
Stephanie Haslam
@Emery Hyslop-Margison it
would seem that both the province of New Brunswick and Canada as a whole
give an incredible amount of funding to the OIF, on a regular basis, so
one would think they could forgive us for being temporarily financially
embarrassed. These are just a few entries. 20 million dollars: https://open.canada.ca/en/search/grants/reference/dfatd-maecd%7CGC-2018-Q4-00227?fbclid=IwAR0x_G6XTKSurGqWxB--LE_Q4-I-3C4z24tdYfqx-z-a9fih7Cu7KCasjes $402,715 to the Organisation Internationale Francophonie-Paris (New Brunswick Public Accounts, 2017) https://www2.gnb.ca/content/dam/gnb/Departments/tb-ct/pdf/OC/PA17Sup.pdf?fbclid=IwAR18cL96MjHzoonRfbAXFwcN_S9_TRg8Tc15iAeymQ2fnwmB3vWAkneBuww Roughly seven million, here: https://open.canada.ca/en/search/grants/reference/dfatd-maecd%7CGC-2018-Q4-00051?fbclid=IwAR3cwi0KxaX73cmGJJHH74LOEGszsexfP_cguDob2CoEhhMFUDfMiV3PbQY
Marc Martin
@Alexandre Hilton
*are naive, sycophantic liberal supporters.*
Nope some are naïve, sycophantic PANB supporters and should be ashamed of themselves.
*are naive, sycophantic liberal supporters.*
Nope some are naïve, sycophantic PANB supporters and should be ashamed of themselves.
Stephanie Haslam
@Chantal LeBouthi, yes--
because you have your priorities straight. Our governments, both
provincailly and federally, quite often do not.
Chantal LeBouthi
@Stephanie Haslam
That sad part of it
That sad part of it
Stephanie Haslam
@Chantal LeBouthi , here are a
few more of the amounts, which can be found on the federal grant
distribution list and which have been given to the the OIF. These are
just a few: $10,372,081.77
$15,600,000.00
$ 9,489,799.00
$ 7,500,000.00
$ 8,839,401.00 https://open.canada.ca/en/search/grants?search_api_fulltext=OIF&sort_by=date_clean&page=1
$15,600,000.00
$ 9,489,799.00
$ 7,500,000.00
$ 8,839,401.00 https://open.canada.ca/en/search/grants?search_api_fulltext=OIF&sort_by=date_clean&page=1
Stephanie Haslam
@Stephanie Haslam, sorry-- typing too quickly. That should read "provincially."
Marc Martin
@Stephanie Haslam
these amounts are nothing compared to what they give to the English population across Canada seshh..
these amounts are nothing compared to what they give to the English population across Canada seshh..
Jim Moore
@Marc Martin actually Marc
they spend more than 4 times on french speakers per-capita than english
speakers, you couldn't be farther from reality, the totals DONT
matter, its based on representation and population totals. I am sorry
you don't understand how those things actually work.
Marc Martin
@Jim Moore
Is that why the English population of NB have 72% of the schools for a population of 68% ? Numbers dont lie buddy.
Is that why the English population of NB have 72% of the schools for a population of 68% ? Numbers dont lie buddy.
Chris McNee
Next election we should
remember the legacy of the liberals. There tantrum at giving up the lost
election and now this? I wouldn’t want the head ache of being a
politician, especially when the last government has there scams haunting
you. This morning CBC radio interviewed about this issue and someone
mentioned the financial spin off of the 3500 athletes? If they spend
$1000 each we have a great bring in of $3,500,000. Only leaving us
$112,000,000 in the red before interest... why do people leave this
province again?
Chantal LeBouthi
@Chris McNee
Red fiasco or blue fiasco in NB we get the same every time just look at the last 20 years
Red fiasco or blue fiasco in NB we get the same every time just look at the last 20 years
Chris McNee
@Chantal LeBouthi your
correct, this however is the first time I can recall a government
actually tightening the purse strings on things we can afford to put
off! We have a court house that’s old but works, the museum in Saint
John is old but works and so forth.
Chantal LeBouthi
@Chris McNee
Agreed if is not a public safety issue
Agreed if is not a public safety issue
Trevor Lee Watson
@Chantal LeBouthi his platform was clear it was the elite fearmongering. This party is for all the people not some of the people
Trevor Lee Watson
@Chantal LeBouthi agreed,
but there is an upside. Kris is in a position to show everyone what he
support. He holds the deciding votes.
Chantal LeBouthi
@Trevor Lee Watson
Agreed
Agreed
Marc Martin
@Trevor Lee Watson
*his platform was clear it was the elite fearmongering. This party is for all the people not some of the people*
ha ha ha Thanks for the laugh I needed it.
*his platform was clear it was the elite fearmongering. This party is for all the people not some of the people*
ha ha ha Thanks for the laugh I needed it.
Marc Martin
@Trevor Lee Watson
*Kris is in a position to show everyone what he support.*
Seshh we all know about his support for anti-French policies.
*Kris is in a position to show everyone what he support.*
Seshh we all know about his support for anti-French policies.
Robert Mason
I hope there is more digging
into how this happened. I find it curious that the liberals rejected the
$45M cost submitted to the them. Even more curious is after the PC’s
formed a minority government, the cost rose to $130M. The liberals and
SANB will use this as a cudgel to beat the government and frame it as a
language issue, it clearly is not.
It is looking like the organizing committee and the cities involved viewed this as a chance to get some new turf and other goodies without footing the bill.
It is looking like the organizing committee and the cities involved viewed this as a chance to get some new turf and other goodies without footing the bill.
@Robert Mason
Im very curious about the five expert from the selection committee who came in Moncton and decided that nb should have it instead of Sherbrooke
Im very curious about the five expert from the selection committee who came in Moncton and decided that nb should have it instead of Sherbrooke
Robert Mason
@Chantal LeBouthi there is
more to this than we will ever know. As Paul Harvey used to say We need
to know “The rest of the story”
@Robert Mason
Exactly something is fishy really fishy and it stink
Exactly something is fishy really fishy and it stink
@Chantal LeBouthi touché
@Robert Mason, touchié!
Chris McNee
Next election we should
remember the legacy of the liberals. There tantrum at giving up the lost
election and now this? I wouldn’t want the head ache of being a
politician, especially when the last government has there scams haunting
you. This morning CBC radio interviewed about this issue and someone
mentioned the financial spin off of the 3500 athletes? If they spend
$1000 each we have a great bring in of $3,500,000. Only leaving us
$112,000,000 in the red before interest... why do people leave this
province again?
Chantal LeBouthi
@Chris McNee
Red fiasco or blue fiasco in NB we get the same every time just look at the last 20 years
Red fiasco or blue fiasco in NB we get the same every time just look at the last 20 years
Trevor Lee Watson
@Chantal LeBouthi Well then obviously it was the people's alliance that should have gone in.
Chris McNee
@Chantal LeBouthi your
correct, this however is the first time I can recall a government
actually tightening the purse strings on things we can afford to put
off! We have a court house that’s old but works, the museum in Saint
John is old but works and so forth.
Chantal LeBouthi
@Trevor Lee Watson
Well he need to communicate better, some french poeples are scare of him
Well he need to communicate better, some french poeples are scare of him
Chantal LeBouthi
@Chris McNee
Agreed if is not a public safety issue
Agreed if is not a public safety issue
Trevor Lee Watson
@Chantal LeBouthi his platform was clear it was the elite fearmongering. This party is for all the people not some of the people
Chantal LeBouthi
@Trevor Lee Watson
Your probably right but you know how politicians act on election
They go bananas for power
Your probably right but you know how politicians act on election
They go bananas for power
Trevor Lee Watson
@Chantal LeBouthi agreed,
but there is an upside. Kris is in a position to show everyone what he
support. He holds the deciding votes.
Chantal LeBouthi
@Trevor Lee Watson
Agreed
Agreed
Marc Martin
@Trevor Lee Watson
*his platform was clear it was the elite fearmongering. This party is for all the people not some of the people*
ha ha ha Thanks for the laugh I needed it.
*his platform was clear it was the elite fearmongering. This party is for all the people not some of the people*
ha ha ha Thanks for the laugh I needed it.
Marc Martin
@Trevor Lee Watson
*Kris is in a position to show everyone what he support.*
Seshh we all know about his support for anti-French policies.
*Kris is in a position to show everyone what he support.*
Seshh we all know about his support for anti-French policies.
Robert Mason
Even @Marc Martin has been fairly quiet on this whole mess. Gives me hope that he is not simple enough to defend this...
Trevor Lee Watson
@Robert Mason not cool man
Robert Mason
@Trevor Lee Watson how so?
Marc Martin
@Robert Mason
I have not been quiet at all, I don't care if they cancel it. But I maintain to say that if it was called the *English Games* you could hear crickets here on CBC.
I have not been quiet at all, I don't care if they cancel it. But I maintain to say that if it was called the *English Games* you could hear crickets here on CBC.
Robert Mason
@Marc Martin i respectfully disagree. Language aside this is too much money for any games “in this place”.
Robert Mason
@Marc Martin do you think the NB government should increase funding to say $50M to allow them to go ahead?
Marc Martin
@Robert Mason
No..To be honest I didn't even know about these games. The only thing that drives me to comment on this is against the people that are making this a language issue, so that's about 99% of the posters here...
No..To be honest I didn't even know about these games. The only thing that drives me to comment on this is against the people that are making this a language issue, so that's about 99% of the posters here...
daryl doucette
@Marc Martin " Canadian
Fracophonie games" last year. Next year " Acadian Summit"....2021 "
World Francophonie Games" ....WHO PAYS FOR ALL THESE EVENTS???
Marguerite Deschamps
@daryl doucette, it must be us given that we have all the good jobs eh? - This is what you always say.
Marc Martin
@daryl doucette
Who paid for the Pan-Am games in Ontario ?
Who paid for the Pan-Am games in Ontario ?
Marc Martin
@Marguerite Deschamps
Yep you are right....
Yep you are right....
Robert Mason
@Marc Martin as you have said many times “who cares, this is not Ontario”
Shawn McShane
@Marc Martin This is who pays
for Moncton HIghland games every year: Tweedie & Associates; City
of Moncton; Government of Canada; Province of New-Brunswick; Atlantic
Air Cleaning; SBC Facility Services; Toys for Big Boys; Retirement
Planning Solutions; Hewitt Rentals; 91.9 The Bend; McWilliam Financial;
J. Wright Sales; Embroidery Guyz; Atlantic Pewter; Victaulic; HUB
International; Omista Credit Union; Bingham Law; Ford's Pharmacy and
Wellness Centre...
Robert Mason
@Marc Martin I never posted that, please go back and review. I will await your apology.
Robert Mason
@Marc Martin and what do you mean by”your kind”. I am interested in your reply?
Marc Martin
@Robert Mason
No but you posted this:
*as you have said many times “who cares, this is not Ontario*
After I replied to this :
*daryl doucette
@Marc Martin " Canadian Fracophonie games" last year. Next year " Acadian Summit"....2021 " World Francophonie Games" ....WHO PAYS FOR ALL THESE EVENTS???*
I will be awaiting for YOUR apology now..
No but you posted this:
*as you have said many times “who cares, this is not Ontario*
After I replied to this :
*daryl doucette
@Marc Martin " Canadian Fracophonie games" last year. Next year " Acadian Summit"....2021 " World Francophonie Games" ....WHO PAYS FOR ALL THESE EVENTS???*
I will be awaiting for YOUR apology now..
Shawn McShane
@Marc Martin Robert Mason did not post that. daryl doucette did...
Marc Martin
@Shawn McShane
*Province of New-Brunswick*
Yep exactly..
*Province of New-Brunswick*
Yep exactly..
Robert Mason
@Marc Martin is that not a personal attack?
Robert Mason
@Marc Martin yes I did and you attributed a quote to me that was incorrect.
Marc Martin
@Robert Mason
Not really its a fact, your previous posts proves it.
Not really its a fact, your previous posts proves it.
Robert Mason
@Marc Martin what post?
Would you like me to review the comments where you said on mor than one occasion”who cares”
Would you like me to review the comments where you said on mor than one occasion”who cares”
Marc Martin
@Robert Mason
*Robert Mason
@Marc Martin as you have said many times “who cares, this is not Ontario”*
You wrote this didn't you ?
*Robert Mason
@Marc Martin as you have said many times “who cares, this is not Ontario”*
You wrote this didn't you ?
Robert Mason
@Marc Martin yes
Marc Martin
@Robert Mason
You should review why I commented on the Pan-Am games, if you cant take the heat get out of the kitchen.
You should review why I commented on the Pan-Am games, if you cant take the heat get out of the kitchen.
Doug Leblanc
Why is our liberal MP from
Beauséjour not upset over the ballooning cost of these games, but
instead offering “unlimited” 50% matching federal funding, virtually
forcing fiscally responsible Higgs to cancel the games and be painted
anti-French in the next election.
Perhaps because when Gallant himself was pushing the 17M bid in 2015 (Harper was in power and election close), his office tried the same political game.
Gallant indicated in para 7 and 8 of news release below that any proposal “must” have federal approval to proceed.
Was the very low unrealistic bid an attempt to force the conservative federal government to go along with it or face the consequences that October with the francophone vote.
The games themselves may have been used by the liberals for political purposes.
If so, Trudeau needs to own it, apologize, and pay for it.
Gallant needs to explain who was on the “bid committee”, how they came up with $17 million, and why he never considered a business plan.
News Release
Office of the Premier
Francophonie
New Brunswick will vie to host the Francophonie Games in 2021
03 July 2015
FREDERICTON (GNB) – The provincial government will submit the candidacy of the cities of Dieppe and Moncton to host the 2021 edition of the Games of La Francophonie.
..........
The proposal must receive approval from the federal government.
“Preliminary discussions regarding the candidacy of the cities of Dieppe and Moncton have been taking place for months with the federal government, specifically with the Office of the Minister of International Development and La Francophonie, Christian Paradis,” Gallant said.
Perhaps because when Gallant himself was pushing the 17M bid in 2015 (Harper was in power and election close), his office tried the same political game.
Gallant indicated in para 7 and 8 of news release below that any proposal “must” have federal approval to proceed.
Was the very low unrealistic bid an attempt to force the conservative federal government to go along with it or face the consequences that October with the francophone vote.
The games themselves may have been used by the liberals for political purposes.
If so, Trudeau needs to own it, apologize, and pay for it.
Gallant needs to explain who was on the “bid committee”, how they came up with $17 million, and why he never considered a business plan.
News Release
Office of the Premier
Francophonie
New Brunswick will vie to host the Francophonie Games in 2021
03 July 2015
FREDERICTON (GNB) – The provincial government will submit the candidacy of the cities of Dieppe and Moncton to host the 2021 edition of the Games of La Francophonie.
..........
The proposal must receive approval from the federal government.
“Preliminary discussions regarding the candidacy of the cities of Dieppe and Moncton have been taking place for months with the federal government, specifically with the Office of the Minister of International Development and La Francophonie, Christian Paradis,” Gallant said.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Doug Leblanc, no one needs to paint the elusive Higgs Boso as such.
@Doug Leblanc
*and be painted anti-French in the next election*
The French population knew this before the last election, he was once member of the CoR party.
*and be painted anti-French in the next election*
The French population knew this before the last election, he was once member of the CoR party.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Marc Martin, and since he
took over in Fredericton, he is proving it every day with his policies.
And all the while his comedian Robert Gauvin remains silent.
Marc Martin
@Marguerite Deschamps
*he is proving it every day with his policies. *
We all knew this was coming, I see in the future a lot of court issues against the Higgs government.
*Robert Gauvin remains silent*
He is about to be lynched in his own constituency, he is an a very uncomfortable place right now.
*he is proving it every day with his policies. *
We all knew this was coming, I see in the future a lot of court issues against the Higgs government.
*Robert Gauvin remains silent*
He is about to be lynched in his own constituency, he is an a very uncomfortable place right now.
Robert Mason
@Marc Martin why is he about
to be lynched? Are you suggesting his riding is upset he won’t blindly
agree to this egregious cost overrun?
Just because he is french he should support this no matter the cost?
I applaud him for taking a stand on a fiscal isssue.
Just because he is french he should support this no matter the cost?
I applaud him for taking a stand on a fiscal isssue.
Marc Martin
@Robert Mason
*why is he about to be lynched*
Because his boss aligned himself with the anti-French party of NB, PANB.
*why is he about to be lynched*
Because his boss aligned himself with the anti-French party of NB, PANB.
Robert Mason
@Marc Martin you continually beat that drum. Show me a PANB policy that advocates removing or clawing back Franco rights?
Marc Martin
@Robert Mason
All of their platform is anti-French, they didn't even have any representatives in any French constituencies and they declined all French media interview....Is that enough ?
All of their platform is anti-French, they didn't even have any representatives in any French constituencies and they declined all French media interview....Is that enough ?
Robert Mason
@Marc Martin please show me a
platform plank or policy that advocates removing or reducing Franco
rights. The last 2 point you make are correct but that doesn’t make them
anti French.
Using your logic the fact that SANB is not active in St. Andrews make them anti English?
Using your logic the fact that SANB is not active in St. Andrews make them anti English?
Marc Martin
@Robert Mason
* SANB is not active in St. Andrews *
SANB is not a political party and have no power.
*please show me a platform plank or policy that advocates removing or reducing Franco rights.*
Everything is based on removing rights already acquired. Its funny Kris A. was all for hiring unilingual English paramedic but not unilingual French ones.
* SANB is not active in St. Andrews *
SANB is not a political party and have no power.
*please show me a platform plank or policy that advocates removing or reducing Franco rights.*
Everything is based on removing rights already acquired. Its funny Kris A. was all for hiring unilingual English paramedic but not unilingual French ones.
Robert Mason
@Marc Martin you keep making
blanket statements to that effect but do not back them up. Generalizing
is not helpful. Show me a policy that advocates reducing French rights.
You can’t, if you could you would already have plastered it all over
here.
Don’t obfuscate and simply answer.
Don’t obfuscate and simply answer.
Marc Martin
@Robert Mason
* Show me a policy that advocates reducing French rights*
How about making the provincial jobs in NB 70% unilingual English ? And this is only the tip of the iceberg, I've been emailing one of his member on their website, sadly CBC wont let me post these here.
* Show me a policy that advocates reducing French rights*
How about making the provincial jobs in NB 70% unilingual English ? And this is only the tip of the iceberg, I've been emailing one of his member on their website, sadly CBC wont let me post these here.
Marc Martin
@Robert Mason
By the way you didn't answer this :
*Kris A. was all for hiring unilingual English paramedic but not unilingual French ones.*
Why is that ?
By the way you didn't answer this :
*Kris A. was all for hiring unilingual English paramedic but not unilingual French ones.*
Why is that ?
Robert Mason
@Marc Martin I don’t agree with 70% but is is close to an accurate break down based on population language demographics.
Marc Martin
@Robert Mason
Actually its 68%, I corrected the individual..But if we follow your logic then why does the Englsih population of NB have 72% of the schools in NB for a population of 68% ?
Actually its 68%, I corrected the individual..But if we follow your logic then why does the Englsih population of NB have 72% of the schools in NB for a population of 68% ?
Fred Brewer
@Marc Martin
"*and be painted anti-French in the next election*The French population knew this before the last election, he was once member of the CoR party."
And yet he got elected and former a government. Also PA got 3 seats. What does that tell you?
"*and be painted anti-French in the next election*The French population knew this before the last election, he was once member of the CoR party."
And yet he got elected and former a government. Also PA got 3 seats. What does that tell you?
Marguerite Deschamps
@Robert Mason, SANB is not a political party as far as I know. The PA is.
David Amos
@Marc Martin "We all knew this was coming, I see in the future a lot of court issues against the Higgs government.
*Robert Gauvin remains silent*
He is about to be lynched in his own constituency, he is an a very uncomfortable place right now."
Oh My My
*Robert Gauvin remains silent*
He is about to be lynched in his own constituency, he is an a very uncomfortable place right now."
Oh My My
Pierre LaRoches
@Doug Leblanc the ballooning
costs were going to pay Liberal friends salaries and contracts and to
build fancy new tennis courts (that's almost too good to be true) in
Liberal ridings. They weren't upset, they planned it that way figuring
they wouldn't get caught.
Marc Martin
@Fred Brewer
He did not get elected, the Liberal left the speaker there they can turn it around if they remove him. Educate yourself.
He did not get elected, the Liberal left the speaker there they can turn it around if they remove him. Educate yourself.
Fred Brewer
@Fred Brewer
*formed a government*
*formed a government*
Marguerite Deschamps
The comedian Robert Gauvin is not TOO VOCAL!
Chantal LeBouthi
@Marguerite Deschamps
I agree
I agree
Marc Martin
@Marguerite Deschamps
He's simply a bad comedian...
He's simply a bad comedian...
Marguerite Deschamps
@Marc Martin, he is. I have never found him funny at all. Epic fail!
Mario Doucet
Higgs, right again, NB should
not compete with Quebec for this type of event, ever. The franco
population in Canada needs to be represented by Canada only and not by
individual provinces. Now is the time to fix this big mistake.
Chantal LeBouthi
@Mario Doucet
Pathetic post learn Canada constitution maybe
Pathetic post learn Canada constitution maybe
daryl doucette
I believe Mr. Higgs should
tell whom ever is threatening us with " Article 24" to take it and put
it where the sun does not shine. The whole process up to now was
deceitful and corrupt, there fore that should cancel " Article 24",
which was probably written by another bunch of corrupt individuals.
Mario Doucet
@daryl doucette
Bingo
Bingo
Andrew Clarkson
@daryl doucette
Your language is quiet mild as to what I would tell them!
Your language is quiet mild as to what I would tell them!
Marguerite Deschamps
@Andrew Clarkson, who cares? Sticks and stones can break our bones but words can never hurt us.
Seamus O'hern
@Marguerite Deschamps
.......sticks and stones?.....oh great....the adult has joined in the
conversation with a profound statement......lol
Andrew Clarkson
@Seamus O'hern
I see my comment as to her maturity has been disabled!
I see my comment as to her maturity has been disabled!
daryl doucette
@Andrew Clarkson I have to be
"mild" or they block me. Give me your email and i'll send you what I
REALLY think they should tell them...you will learn some new VERY
COLORFUL expletives....
André Bérubé
We don't need these games.
The Francophonie includes countries like Egypt with a population of
84,470,000. I am sure that there are not too many Francophones in
Egypt. If France wants the keep this phony organisation, it should
cover the costs of these games
Chantal LeBouthi
@André Bérubé
Guadeloupe Removed itself that why Canada was chosen
Guadeloupe Removed itself that why Canada was chosen
Marc Martin
@André Bérubé
The games are open to any language, its time for you to get educated on this.
The games are open to any language, its time for you to get educated on this.
Chantal LeBouthi
@André Bérubé
@André Bérubé
Sherbrooke at a bigger budget 50 millions and a detailed business plan
How the hell nb was chosen with no plan and a lower budget that the big question the only answer seam to be the weather
@André Bérubé
Sherbrooke at a bigger budget 50 millions and a detailed business plan
How the hell nb was chosen with no plan and a lower budget that the big question the only answer seam to be the weather
Shawn McShane
@Marc Martin In October 2015,
Egypt and the International Organization of la Francophonie signed a
memorandum of understanding in the framework of the program "French in
International Relations."
Egypt's membership in the IOF, which members are predominantly African, reflects the importance and centrality of the relationship with the Continent’s countries. Egypt is considered as one of the most influential members of the Organization, as Dr. Boutros Boutros-Ghali was appointed to the post of the first Secretary-General of La Francophonie as soon as this position was introduced in 1997.
Egypt's membership in the IOF, which members are predominantly African, reflects the importance and centrality of the relationship with the Continent’s countries. Egypt is considered as one of the most influential members of the Organization, as Dr. Boutros Boutros-Ghali was appointed to the post of the first Secretary-General of La Francophonie as soon as this position was introduced in 1997.
Marc Martin
@Shawn McShane
*predominantly African*
In case you didn't know the place where the French language is rising extremely fast is Africa. And the thing is you probably didn't read but the games aren't only for the French population.
*predominantly African*
In case you didn't know the place where the French language is rising extremely fast is Africa. And the thing is you probably didn't read but the games aren't only for the French population.
Shawn McShane
@Marc Martin Only Team Canada and Team New Brunswick selection is not based on linguistic affiliation. Try again.
André Bérubé
@Marc Martin
Is that so? Since the games are open to any language, why call it 'les jeux de la Francophonie'?
Is that so? Since the games are open to any language, why call it 'les jeux de la Francophonie'?
Marc Martin
@Shawn McShane
You have been proven wrong.. I rest my case.
You have been proven wrong.. I rest my case.
Marc Martin
@André Bérubé
Why is the Pan-Am games called Pan-Am ? Why is the commonwealth games called Commonwealths games ? Why are the highlander games called highlander games ? Do I need to draw you a picture ?
Why is the Pan-Am games called Pan-Am ? Why is the commonwealth games called Commonwealths games ? Why are the highlander games called highlander games ? Do I need to draw you a picture ?
Ken Parker
What a "Phoney" boondoggle.
David Amos
@Ken Parker Welcome To The Circus
Douglas James
Not one person was bright enough to understand what they were doing from day one. What a sad commentary on politicians.
Jim Moore
@Douglas James They
understood fully what they were doing, why do oyu think they
intentionally left important things out of their horrible business plan.
Like paying 80 journalists to come. or that the budget ballooned by
more than 1000% without any eplanation
David Amos
@Jim Moore YUP
Pierre LaRoches
@Douglas James Being a member of the Liberal party does that to people.
Jim Moore
We don't have money for
people dying on the streets in the cold, or for nurses or ambulances,
but we have money for a wasteful irresponsible francophonie games that's
ballooned by more than ten times to pander to less than 8% of the
population at the bulk of the tax payers expense, and now we find out
the people involved have personal interests and are friends with Brian
Gallant, can you say Atcon all over again. This is just wasteful
corruption at its ugliest
Marc Martin
@Jim Moore
Make it more a language issue thanks, you have proven my point. I didn't want to pay for the Pan-Am games that where organised in Ontario were you?
Make it more a language issue thanks, you have proven my point. I didn't want to pay for the Pan-Am games that where organised in Ontario were you?
Chantal LeBouthi
@Jim Moore
Stop you hatred please thank you
Stop you hatred please thank you
Jim Moore
@Chantal LeBouthi Its not
hatred, its a fact, you want to waste 130 million dollars or more on
nonsense to appease a tiny fraction of the population at the expense of
the tax payers, all the while neglecting our schools, hospitals, and
people at risk, so clearly your over priced games are more important to
you over a language issue than actual important matters
Robert Mason
@Chantal LeBouthi yet others can make references to “your kind” and you do not denounce them?
Jim Moore
@Marc Martin The pan am games
are watched by hundreds of millions of people and more than 95% of the
people in Ontario speak and operate their daily lives every day in
english, this isnt the same issue at all , the pan am games also didnt
balloon by more than %1000 percent in cost and had a valid approved
business plan that was public knowledge, none of these things are the
case for the Francophonie games, its all secret, over priced, and not
generally wanted by most New Brunswickers who have to pay for it, It is
a language issue, the issue is we don't have money for schools and
nurses/ ambulances but we have money for overpriced insignificant games
that don't represent the population of New Brunswick either
demographically or financially
Jim Moore
@Robert Mason Thats because
its ok for the French to be anti-english. and to waste hundreds of
millions a year at the expense of the anglophones.
Chantal LeBouthi
@Robert Mason
My kind
french micmac English heritage sorry can’t devide myself in three and yes I denounce go read my others post
My kind
french micmac English heritage sorry can’t devide myself in three and yes I denounce go read my others post
Marc Martin
@Robert Mason
*yet others can make references to “your kind” and you do not denounce them?*
But why aren't you denouncing him ?
*yet others can make references to “your kind” and you do not denounce them?*
But why aren't you denouncing him ?
Marc Martin
@Jim Moore
*and to waste hundreds of millions a year at the expense of the anglophones.*
And where are those stats ? You have access to government books ?
*and to waste hundreds of millions a year at the expense of the anglophones.*
And where are those stats ? You have access to government books ?
Robert Mason
@Marc Martin did you see where I supported the statement? No because I didn’t. You are using a straw man argument.
Marc Martin
@Robert Mason
You single out mine so it does mean you support his.
You single out mine so it does mean you support his.
Robert Mason
@Marc Martin your power of inference amazes me.
Robert Mason
@Robert Mason would you agree that the term “your kind” is a bigoted statement?
Robert Mason
@Chantal LeBouthi then please ask Marc to stop using the term “your kind” if you have mixed heritage he is attacking you as well
Robert Mason
@Marc Martin because I am questioning spending$Can deduce I hate French people? My French wife will be surprised to hear that.
Robert Mason
@Robert Mason because I am
questioning spending $130 M you deduce I hate French people? My French
wife will be surprised to hear that.
Marc Martin
@Robert Mason
no its because you complain on what a single individual says when the French population is attacked and say nothing against these individuals..The hats fits you does it not ?
no its because you complain on what a single individual says when the French population is attacked and say nothing against these individuals..The hats fits you does it not ?
Robert Mason
@Marc Martin when one resorts
to name calling in a debate it usually means thy have noting more of
value to contribute. You have illustrated that point on several
occasions
Marc Martin
@Robert Mason
*you do the same yet it is ok for you but not others*
I never said it was not ok for them to do it, im used to it, have you read all the hatred comments toward the French population on this site ? The funny thing is your commenting on mine and not on the several ones your kind make.
*you do the same yet it is ok for you but not others*
I never said it was not ok for them to do it, im used to it, have you read all the hatred comments toward the French population on this site ? The funny thing is your commenting on mine and not on the several ones your kind make.
Marc Martin
@Robert Mason
*when one resorts to name calling in a debate it usually means thy have noting more of value to contribute. You have illustrated that point on several occasions*
So does 99% of all the commenters on this site...
*when one resorts to name calling in a debate it usually means thy have noting more of value to contribute. You have illustrated that point on several occasions*
So does 99% of all the commenters on this site...
Dave Peters
@Robert Mason So will mine.
Dave Peters
@Marc Martin This is why you
have such a high like rating on this site Marc Martin. The author of
this article supports these games, does he not. You would think that
you would incurr more likes considering the best possible shine was put
on this boondoggle by Mr. Poitras. Numbers matter, unless your a
minority to your way of thinking.
Marc Martin
@Dave Peters
There we have one of Kris A. deputy patrolling a CBC site...
*Numbers matter, unless your a minority to your way of thinking*
Exactly described by one of Kris A. deputy, I am in the minority so I have no say in anything, thanks for proving my point for what your platform stands for. Anti-French from a to z.
There we have one of Kris A. deputy patrolling a CBC site...
*Numbers matter, unless your a minority to your way of thinking*
Exactly described by one of Kris A. deputy, I am in the minority so I have no say in anything, thanks for proving my point for what your platform stands for. Anti-French from a to z.
Robert Mason
@Marc Martin "So does 99% of all the commenters on this site"
Thank for for the admission that the majority of your posts are not constructive
Thank for for the admission that the majority of your posts are not constructive
Robert Mason
@Marc Martin by stating "so
does" that means you agree that you have resorted to name calling and by
default you have nothing of substance to add to the discussion.
Inferring I am a bigot by siding with other posters implicates yourself
also. caught yourself in your own "trap"!
Robert Mason
@Marc Martin "The funny thing is your commenting on mine and not on the several ones your kind make."
You are guilty of the same offence, hence my point of why is it acceptable for you but not for me?
You are guilty of the same offence, hence my point of why is it acceptable for you but not for me?
Marc Martin
@Robert Mason
I was pointing out all of the comments in here...Mines are part of the 1%.
I was pointing out all of the comments in here...Mines are part of the 1%.
Marc Martin
@Robert Mason
Not at all, you have caught yourself in your own trap...
Not at all, you have caught yourself in your own trap...
Robert Mason
@Marc Martin I was pointing out all of the comments in here...Mines are part of the 1%.
What a classic liberal answer, the world is wrong, not me!!
What a classic liberal answer, the world is wrong, not me!!
Robert Mason
@Marc Martin "Not at all, you have caught yourself in your own trap..."
Please expand on this, explain how. I clearly showed above how you make various statements and then denounce other for doing the same. You are deflecting and it shows.
Please expand on this, explain how. I clearly showed above how you make various statements and then denounce other for doing the same. You are deflecting and it shows.
David Amos
@Dave Peters Methinks I have every right to believe that you and the SANB dude deserve each other N'esy Pas?
Norman Albert Snr
@Jim Moore NO! NO! NO! $1m or $110m we don't have the funds. There is only one tax payer be it civic/provincial/Federal.
Marc Martin
@Rob Mason
Says the person who is anti-French.
Says the person who is anti-French.
Marc Martin
@Rob Mason
Not deflecting at all, keep it simple argue with your kind.
Not deflecting at all, keep it simple argue with your kind.
Michael Milne
Liberals play divisive
politics, the game bid in the first place was politics to win votes.
This divisive politics is why the north of the province voted Liberal
and no one else did, the Liberals thought they could pull a fast one and
the anglophones will just go along to show how sensitive to language
they are.
No More. By the way there are only about 5,000 francophones in the provinces, the rest are bilingual or anglophones. Bilingual makes up 40% of the province, francophones less than 5% and anglophones 55%
No More. By the way there are only about 5,000 francophones in the provinces, the rest are bilingual or anglophones. Bilingual makes up 40% of the province, francophones less than 5% and anglophones 55%
Marc Martin
@Michael Milne
*why the north of the province voted Liberal and no one else did*
I didn't know that Fredericton, Moncton and Saint john where considered Northern cities....
*By the way there are only about 5,000 francophones in the provinces*
Says an English person....
*why the north of the province voted Liberal and no one else did*
I didn't know that Fredericton, Moncton and Saint john where considered Northern cities....
*By the way there are only about 5,000 francophones in the provinces*
Says an English person....
Michael Milne
@Marc Martin An english
person with children who speak perfect french. A person who immigrated
here because the province is BILINGUAL. The Liberal wins in those cities
are of course, civil servants and the city where the slush money of the
Liberals went. As for St Johns, are there Liberals from there?
Marc Martin
@Michael Milne
First of all Moncton, Fredericton and Saint John got Liberals elected this is not about language its about what the party stands for and NO they are not Northern cities and they are the BIGEST CITIES IN NB.
Second *A person who immigrated here because the province is BILINGUAL.* But yet your complaining about the language issue...Why did you come here anyways ? This debate has been publicizes for years.
Third *An english person with children who speak perfect French*
Good for them, maybe you should take example on them ?
First of all Moncton, Fredericton and Saint John got Liberals elected this is not about language its about what the party stands for and NO they are not Northern cities and they are the BIGEST CITIES IN NB.
Second *A person who immigrated here because the province is BILINGUAL.* But yet your complaining about the language issue...Why did you come here anyways ? This debate has been publicizes for years.
Third *An english person with children who speak perfect French*
Good for them, maybe you should take example on them ?
Tim Raworth
@Michael Milne Stats Can shows 33.9 in 2016. I doubt is up much from that as we have had so called OB for almost 50 years.
Chantal LeBouthi
@Michael Milne
Hihi what a fake post
Hihi what a fake post
Daniel Rawlins
@Michael Milne
Not sure about any liberal wins or slush funds but I believe 'St. Johns' is in Newfoundland...
Not sure about any liberal wins or slush funds but I believe 'St. Johns' is in Newfoundland...
Shawn McShane
OTTAWA, Jul 31 2001 - A
record number of sports figures are claiming refugee status following
last week’s Francophone Games. The Francophone Games, which drew some
2,600 athletes from 52 countries that share the French language, ended
Jul 24 but officials say refugee claims were still being received Monday
night. On average, between 40 percent and 50 percent of refugee
claims succeed. The Canadian government usually provides airfare for
those who are sent back home.
Marc Martin
@Shawn McShane
What's you point ? Your against French immigration ? Why don't you mention the huge influx of immigrant claiming refugee status that all come from the USA and that are English ?
What's you point ? Your against French immigration ? Why don't you mention the huge influx of immigrant claiming refugee status that all come from the USA and that are English ?
Mike Morton
@Marc Martin
Yesterday you were spouting off about how these games are open to people of all languages; now you are weaponizing the French language to suit your agenda.
Yesterday you were spouting off about how these games are open to people of all languages; now you are weaponizing the French language to suit your agenda.
Shawn McShane
@Marc Martin Local media
reported that most of them are from Africa. A number reportedly are
living in homeless shelters pending processing. The Francophone Games
drew participants from the following African countries: Benin, Burkina
Faso, Burundi, Cameroon, Cape Verde, Central African Republic, Chad,
Comoros, Cote d’Ivoire, Republic of Congo, Democratic Republic of Congo,
Equatorial Guinea, Gabon, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Madagascar, Mali,
Mauritius, Mauritania, Niger, Rwanda, Senegal, and Togo.
Marc Martin
@Shawn McShane
*most of them are from Africa*
Yes, do you know where the French language is in full expansion ? Its Africa.
*most of them are from Africa*
Yes, do you know where the French language is in full expansion ? Its Africa.
Mike Morton
Send the bill to The Acadian Province, after all that's where the bid originated from.
Chantal LeBouthi
@Mike Morton
Please you think this help in anyway that is the poeples faults now
Politicians are responsible
Please you think this help in anyway that is the poeples faults now
Politicians are responsible
Mike Morton
@Chantal LeBouthi
You are correct, politicians are responsible, I was referring to the leaders of The Acadian Province, aka Le Parti Acadien, aka SANB.
You are correct, politicians are responsible, I was referring to the leaders of The Acadian Province, aka Le Parti Acadien, aka SANB.
Paul Estey
@Mike Morton with all due
respect Mike, its not the Acadian Province that is responsible....it is
the Province of New Brunswick that is responsible...after all it was
the Government of the day that assisted with the "faulty" bid for the
games...the Province owns the problem....the question now is just how do
we best rectify the problem...
Mike Morton
@Paul Estey
"The Acadian Province" is a metaphor:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parti_acadien
Enjoy the read...
"The Acadian Province" is a metaphor:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parti_acadien
Enjoy the read...
Marc Martin
@Mike Morton
There is an Acadian province ? Why do you PANB member make stuff up all the time ?
There is an Acadian province ? Why do you PANB member make stuff up all the time ?
John O'Brien
French are trying desperately
to offload the blame and the cost.Meanwhile the organizing committee
(all French) has absconded with all the money they were given.
Chantal LeBouthi
@John O'Brien
Liberals you mean
Liberals you mean
Mike Morton
@Chantal LeBouthi
La meme chose...
La meme chose...
Fred Brewer
@John O'Brien
Please don't lump all "French" people into the blame game. It is likely that the Liberals and the organizing committee have to accept most of the blame, but that is limited to a handful of people. Many francophones on this very site are in agreement that the games should either be cancelled or proceed on the original budget. Please give them the credit they deserve.
Please don't lump all "French" people into the blame game. It is likely that the Liberals and the organizing committee have to accept most of the blame, but that is limited to a handful of people. Many francophones on this very site are in agreement that the games should either be cancelled or proceed on the original budget. Please give them the credit they deserve.
Paul Estey
@Fred Brewer Very well put! I
believe most New Brunswickers see the financial straight we are
in....we have to change as a province in the way we do things..
Marguerite Deschamps
@Fred Brewer, it's only the
COR people talking like this. They do not represent most Anglophones,
only a fringe minority however vocal.
Marc Martin
@Marguerite Deschamps
Agreed.
Agreed.
Doug Leblanc
To help put that colossal sum
of money into perspective, if you take the 130 million and divide it
evenly among the roughly 740,000 residents, that works out to just over
$175 per person — or about $700 for a family of four.
If we had that money on the bank or residents were willing to pay $175 each in a one time tax, that would be one scenario. However, we don’t have that money and people don’t want more taxes, so must borrow it and pay it back in the future.
That’s called deficit spending, and it only works if the money spent grows the economy. Ie more people work and they buy more things, resulting in more tax revenue even if taxes stay the same. Unfortunately, in most democracies, deficit spending is used to win elections and often doesn’t grow the economy.
Elections are won, but our grandchildren are the real losers. Instead of using tax revenue on projects to help residents, government is saddled with huge interest payments that eat up a large chunk of all revenue.
We need to stop talking about language. This is not about language.
It is about a project that Gallant oversaw a bid proposal of 17M and then allowed it to grow to 130M without telling anyone or doing anything.
Somehow the economic spinoff with same number of participants, got increased from 22M to 165M. That makes no sense.
So let’s talk about spending $175 per person or $700 per family. Is it worth it?
No language division just facts please.
If we had that money on the bank or residents were willing to pay $175 each in a one time tax, that would be one scenario. However, we don’t have that money and people don’t want more taxes, so must borrow it and pay it back in the future.
That’s called deficit spending, and it only works if the money spent grows the economy. Ie more people work and they buy more things, resulting in more tax revenue even if taxes stay the same. Unfortunately, in most democracies, deficit spending is used to win elections and often doesn’t grow the economy.
Elections are won, but our grandchildren are the real losers. Instead of using tax revenue on projects to help residents, government is saddled with huge interest payments that eat up a large chunk of all revenue.
We need to stop talking about language. This is not about language.
It is about a project that Gallant oversaw a bid proposal of 17M and then allowed it to grow to 130M without telling anyone or doing anything.
Somehow the economic spinoff with same number of participants, got increased from 22M to 165M. That makes no sense.
So let’s talk about spending $175 per person or $700 per family. Is it worth it?
No language division just facts please.
David Amos
@Doug Leblanc Good Points Sir
Lou Bell
Anyone surprised many on this committee were friends of Gallants ? NOT ME !!!
Jim Moore
@Lou Bell Id be surprised
honestly if Gallant and Liberals weren't the ones behind this kind of
waste and irresponsible spending, they have a long track record of this
sort of irresponsible behavior and lack of accountability going back
more than a decade
Claude DeRoche
@Lou Bell
He has friends unlike the Irving Boy!
He has friends unlike the Irving Boy!
Paul Estey
@Claude DeRoche maybe its
time to change your theme message of "Irving Boy"....Brian Gallant was
very friendly too with the Irvings...as have all prior Premier's of this
province...did we call them "Irving boys"....I dont think so...
Michel Boudreau
@Lou Bell Better have them as
friend compare to Higgs with is friend at Irving. Better having this
even that for all the people that a pipeline line in the back your that
will only profit Irving.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Lou Bell, you can find most
of your friends in the PA and the CORservative party; two parties so
analogous that they are now indistinguishable.
Stephen Long
@Claude DeRoche With friends that that who needs enemas.
Doug Leblanc
CBC reported yesterday that
“The organizing committee's budget this year is $1.7 million. It has 11
employees. Last year, it paid out $452,000 in salaries.”
Organizing committee consisted of 5 appointed by GNB, 4 appointed by Ottawa, and one each from Moncton and Dieppe. That makes 11, but doesn’t include the executive director.
Presumably the 1.7 M budget this year has no infrastructure costs, so likely all salary, employee and committee expenses, and communications.
Who was on salary as the costs escalated?
Do we have to pay severance to the committee members who resigned?
Where did the 1.7M come from?
Organizing committee consisted of 5 appointed by GNB, 4 appointed by Ottawa, and one each from Moncton and Dieppe. That makes 11, but doesn’t include the executive director.
Presumably the 1.7 M budget this year has no infrastructure costs, so likely all salary, employee and committee expenses, and communications.
Who was on salary as the costs escalated?
Do we have to pay severance to the committee members who resigned?
Where did the 1.7M come from?
David Amos
@Doug Leblanc "Where did the 1.7M come from?"
Methinks you already know N'esy Pas?
Methinks you already know N'esy Pas?
André Bérubé
Some facts about the
Francophonie: In 2010, all the states making up La Francophonie had a
combined population of 702,738,573. Of these, only 14% spoke French
while 19% where Arabic speakers. The French language was also a foreign
language to 25 of the member states of the Francophonie including,
Egypt, Lebanon, Vietnam and Laos. Francophonie? I think the proper
name should be Francophony... BTW, I am a Francophone from New Brunswick
Marguerite Deschamps
@André Bérubé, but blue CONservative through and through.
André Bérubé
@Marguerite Deschamps
Wrong. My point is that Arabic is the first language of the majority population of the member states of the the Francophonie. The games should be renamed: The Arabicophony games and they should be held in Mauritania, a member of the Francophonie that still practices slavery.
Wrong. My point is that Arabic is the first language of the majority population of the member states of the the Francophonie. The games should be renamed: The Arabicophony games and they should be held in Mauritania, a member of the Francophonie that still practices slavery.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Marguerite Deschamps, Right!
We just have to read your post history. You are an alt-right-wing
CONservative, blue through and through.
If the Francophonie Games are cancelled, New Brunswick could still have to pay
A host government that cancels the event must cover related costs incurred by the governing body
New
Brunswick could be on the hook for hefty costs for the 2021
Francophonie Games even if the Higgs government pulls the plug on the
event.
Premier Blaine Higgs remained firm on Thursday that his Progressive Conservative government won't spend more than $10 million on the games — and conceded they are in jeopardy if Ottawa doesn't make up the rest of the ballooning cost.
"It won't be happening without the federal government taking it over," he said.
But Article 24 of the "Statuts du Comité international des Jeux de la Francophonie" — the statutes of the games' governing body, the CJIF — says a host government that cancels the event must cover all related costs incurred by the committee.
New Brunswick is the host for the 2021 games, to be held in Moncton and Dieppe.
"When the state or government that was designated to organize an edition of the games decides not to go ahead with the games," the rules say, "expenses either made or promised by the CIJF as well as any financial claims related to a commitment by the CJIF … are assumed by the state or government."
While most of the 58 members of the Francophonie are countries, Quebec and New Brunswick each have "participating government" status within the organization.
The cover of the Statuts du Comité international des Jeux de la Francophonie, the statutes of the games' governing body. (CJIF)
That's why the bid to host the games in Dieppe and Moncton in 2021 was made by the province, not the federal government.
It's not known how much money has already been spent or committed by the international committee.
It was revealed last week that the original cost estimate for the Moncton-Dieppe games when New Brunswick won the bid, $17 million, has soared to $130 million.
Higgs suggested again Thursday that it's time to rethink the whole idea of a province bidding for and hosting the games.
"This is a chance for us to change the model, so let's take advantage of that," he said.
"We should have a game structure that involves the province, Quebec, the federal government, so it is kind of a national event being held in different provinces.
"This whole concept that provinces can take on something of this magnitude I think has to be part of this analysis."
Blaine Higgs said again New Brunswick would not pay more than $10 million towards the cost of the Francophonie Games. (CBC)
Higgs
made the comments when he was asked if he'll replace five
provincially-nominated members of the local organizing committee, named
by the previous Liberal government, who resigned Wednesday. The premier
did not commit to new provincial appointments.
Shifting responsibility for the games to the federal government may not be possible in the midst of planning for the 2021 games, given the province has already committed to them. New Brunswick won the bid to host the games in April 2016.
Former Liberal ministers said this week that they had not signed a "cahier des charges" — a binding document laying out the province's commitment to the games — as expected in June.
Roger
Melanson and Francine Landry both said the Gallant government held off
on signing because they wanted the $130 million cost reduced.
Higgs suggested that the province's commitment to host the games is reversible.
"The horse is not out of the barn," he said. "We had a bid that was 17 million. Now it's 130. It's a whole different horse."
The premier said he wants to see the games happen but he would not budge from his spending limit of $10 million. "That's where we are," he said. "That's the limit."
The controversy over the cost of the games comes as the new PC government has slashed more than $200 million in projected infrastructure spending in its 2019-20 capital budget.
Projects ranging from a new courthouse in Fredericton, a replacement New Brunswick Museum in Saint John and a new west end school in Moncton have been postponed indefinitely.
Premier Blaine Higgs remained firm on Thursday that his Progressive Conservative government won't spend more than $10 million on the games — and conceded they are in jeopardy if Ottawa doesn't make up the rest of the ballooning cost.
"It won't be happening without the federal government taking it over," he said.
But Article 24 of the "Statuts du Comité international des Jeux de la Francophonie" — the statutes of the games' governing body, the CJIF — says a host government that cancels the event must cover all related costs incurred by the committee.
"When the state or government that was designated to organize an edition of the games decides not to go ahead with the games," the rules say, "expenses either made or promised by the CIJF as well as any financial claims related to a commitment by the CJIF … are assumed by the state or government."
While most of the 58 members of the Francophonie are countries, Quebec and New Brunswick each have "participating government" status within the organization.
It's not known how much money has already been spent or committed by the international committee.
It was revealed last week that the original cost estimate for the Moncton-Dieppe games when New Brunswick won the bid, $17 million, has soared to $130 million.
Shifting responsibility
Higgs suggested again Thursday that it's time to rethink the whole idea of a province bidding for and hosting the games.
"This is a chance for us to change the model, so let's take advantage of that," he said.
"We should have a game structure that involves the province, Quebec, the federal government, so it is kind of a national event being held in different provinces.
"This whole concept that provinces can take on something of this magnitude I think has to be part of this analysis."
Shifting responsibility for the games to the federal government may not be possible in the midst of planning for the 2021 games, given the province has already committed to them. New Brunswick won the bid to host the games in April 2016.
'It's a whole different horse'
Former Liberal ministers said this week that they had not signed a "cahier des charges" — a binding document laying out the province's commitment to the games — as expected in June.
Higgs suggested that the province's commitment to host the games is reversible.
"The horse is not out of the barn," he said. "We had a bid that was 17 million. Now it's 130. It's a whole different horse."
The premier said he wants to see the games happen but he would not budge from his spending limit of $10 million. "That's where we are," he said. "That's the limit."
Scaling back spending
The controversy over the cost of the games comes as the new PC government has slashed more than $200 million in projected infrastructure spending in its 2019-20 capital budget.
Projects ranging from a new courthouse in Fredericton, a replacement New Brunswick Museum in Saint John and a new west end school in Moncton have been postponed indefinitely.
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Cost of the 2021 Francophonie Games
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Premier Blaine Higgs responds to questions about the cost of hosting the 2021 Francophonie Games. 6:59
The
original funding plan for the 2021 games was for the federal and
provincial government to divide most of the $17 million cost, with the
cities of Moncton and Dieppe contributing $750,000 each.
Federal cabinet minister Dominic LeBlanc said earlier this week that Ottawa will not fund more than half the balance. He said if New Brunswick increases its commitment, the federal government will as well.
"If the provincial government, who submitted the demand to be the host of the Francophonie Games, accepts its responsibility and increases its contribution, obviously we will increase the federal contribution consequently," he said Wednesday.
But Higgs repeatedly ruled that out Thursday. "The federal government has to be a big component here and basically take this on."
Federal cabinet minister Dominic LeBlanc said earlier this week that Ottawa will not fund more than half the balance. He said if New Brunswick increases its commitment, the federal government will as well.
"If the provincial government, who submitted the demand to be the host of the Francophonie Games, accepts its responsibility and increases its contribution, obviously we will increase the federal contribution consequently," he said Wednesday.
But Higgs repeatedly ruled that out Thursday. "The federal government has to be a big component here and basically take this on."
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Labour
Minister Trevor Holder thanked all parties in the house for quick
passage of the bill, which made the lesser premium increase possible. (CBC)
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Credit-rating agencies are keeping a close eye on New Brunswick this week after the province's latest capital budget. (Daniel McHardie/CBC)
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Employers to pay smaller WorkSafe premium increase than expected
Province promises other changes in law governing WorkSafeNB
New Brunswick employers will be getting a small break on the premiums they pay to WorkSafeNB New Brunswick in 2019.
Labour Minister Trevor Holder said in the legislature Thursday that the rate on Jan. 1 will increase to $2.65 on every $100 of payroll, not the higher $2.92 announced by WorkSafe earlier this fall.
"We suspect that future rates will continue to be more predictable for employers," Holder said.
The premium was $1.11 in 2016, $1.48 in 2017 and $1.70 this year.
The reduction is the result of passage of a bill earlier this week that changes the law governing the Crown corporation. Lt.-Gov. Jocelyne Roy Vienneau gave royal assent to the legislation Wednesday.
Holder thanked all parties in the house for quick passage of the bill, which was introduced Nov. 27.
Employers pay premiums to WorkSafe to cover the Crown corporation's operations, including benefits to workers injured on the job.
With the original 2019 increase, WorkSafe estimated the 7,000 smallest employers in the province would be forking over an additional $700 each.
The legislation ended the Workers Compensation Appeal Tribunal's power to overrule WorkSafe policies when hearing claim cases. That power was created by legislation passed in 2014 by the previous Progressive Conservative government.
An independent task force made up of employers and workers concluded earlier this year that the new powers for the tribunal, and its rewriting of WorkSafe policies, drove up the costs of benefits, forcing the board to raise premiums.
The legislation passed this week implemented only some of the task force's recommendations. Holder said Thursday the government would work with WorkSafe to put the others in effect.
CBC's Journalistic Standards and PracticesLabour Minister Trevor Holder said in the legislature Thursday that the rate on Jan. 1 will increase to $2.65 on every $100 of payroll, not the higher $2.92 announced by WorkSafe earlier this fall.
"We suspect that future rates will continue to be more predictable for employers," Holder said.
The premium was $1.11 in 2016, $1.48 in 2017 and $1.70 this year.
The reduction is the result of passage of a bill earlier this week that changes the law governing the Crown corporation. Lt.-Gov. Jocelyne Roy Vienneau gave royal assent to the legislation Wednesday.
Holder thanked all parties in the house for quick passage of the bill, which was introduced Nov. 27.
Employers pay premiums to WorkSafe to cover the Crown corporation's operations, including benefits to workers injured on the job.
With the original 2019 increase, WorkSafe estimated the 7,000 smallest employers in the province would be forking over an additional $700 each.
The legislation ended the Workers Compensation Appeal Tribunal's power to overrule WorkSafe policies when hearing claim cases. That power was created by legislation passed in 2014 by the previous Progressive Conservative government.
An independent task force made up of employers and workers concluded earlier this year that the new powers for the tribunal, and its rewriting of WorkSafe policies, drove up the costs of benefits, forcing the board to raise premiums.
The legislation passed this week implemented only some of the task force's recommendations. Holder said Thursday the government would work with WorkSafe to put the others in effect.
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PCs' decision to curtail big projects can cut both ways, credit-rating agency says
Travis Shaw says cutting public spending could actually hurt the economy
After
the provincial government's promise to scale back public spending, the
vice-president of public finance at Dominion Bond Rating Service says
trimming could also hurt the New Brunswick economy.
On one hand, Travis Shaw said the decline in the capital budget will be a positive in terms of fewer cash requirements, fewer debt obligations and a slower increase in debt.
On the other, he said, reducing the level of public-sector spending will have a dampening effect on economic growth in the near future.
"Any restraints on the public-sector side, be it on the capital or on the operating side, will have a dampening effect on the economy as well."
The new Progressive Conservative government announced it would be dramatically scaling back spending on infrastructure with a capital budget almost one-third lower than what the previous Liberal government had planned.
The government is also postponing several major, high-profile projects, such as a new Centennial Building and courthouse complex in Fredericton, Route 11 upgrades between Cocagne River and Little Bouctouche River and between Glenwood and Miramichi, as well as planning for a new school in Moncton to replace Bessborough and Hillcrest schools.
Finance
Minister Ernie Steeves presented a capital budget on Tuesday that
derailed numerous projects set in motion by the previous government. (Michel Corriveau/Radio-Canada)
Total spending is $600.6 million in 2019-2020, far below the $865.5 million the Liberals had forecast for the same year.
"They are keen on tackling the deficit in a quicker fashion than what we may have been expecting under the previous government," Shaw said.
"The bigger underlying challenge for any government to tackle, is the economic outlook. We want to continue to see how that evolves as the months progress as we head into the upcoming budget season."
Although, it's likely not government's first choice, Shaw said the other lever would be to change the level of taxation as the deficit isn't "overly large" but has continued to linger.
"We would see New Brunswick having a little flexibility to raise taxes if that decision were chosen," he said.
"We continue to see the province spending more than what they're bringing in terms of overall revenues," Shaw said.
"That has been leading to an ever-so-gradual but steady increase in their debt burden."
The credit-rating agency said the outlook for the New Brunswick economy is weak with "limited capacity and willingness to increase revenues or further constrain spending."
Shaw said the province still got a strong credit rating, "but it is lower than where we have some of the larger provinces, such as Ontario, British Columbia being our highest rating at AA high."
Shaw said New Brunswick's economic outlook has been relatively weak for a number of years, reflecting the aging population of Atlantic Canada in general.
But there doesn't appear to be anything on the horizon that will change the outlook, including private-sector investments, that would stimulate the economy, he said.
"That's having just a bearing on the overall outlook for the economy and potential economic growth," he said.
Shaw said forecasters are concerned the region could see an extra shock that "triggers the next downturn."
"That can have material impact on government finances, just by virtue of slower economic growth, potential increase in unemployment," he said
.
He said his agency speaks with the New Brunswick government on a regular basis and gets fiscal updates.
"We are in regular contact, we also look at a number of economic forecasts and certainly follow the economic performance quite closely to get an understanding of where things are trending in that regard," he said.
On one hand, Travis Shaw said the decline in the capital budget will be a positive in terms of fewer cash requirements, fewer debt obligations and a slower increase in debt.
On the other, he said, reducing the level of public-sector spending will have a dampening effect on economic growth in the near future.
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"Any restraints on the public-sector side, be it on the capital or on the operating side, will have a dampening effect on the economy as well."
We would see New Brunswick having a little flexibility to raise taxes if that decision were chosen.- Travis Shaw, Dominion Bond Rating ServiceShaw has been keeping a close eye on New Brunswick this week after Finance Minister Ernie Steeves delivered his capital budget.
The new Progressive Conservative government announced it would be dramatically scaling back spending on infrastructure with a capital budget almost one-third lower than what the previous Liberal government had planned.
The government is also postponing several major, high-profile projects, such as a new Centennial Building and courthouse complex in Fredericton, Route 11 upgrades between Cocagne River and Little Bouctouche River and between Glenwood and Miramichi, as well as planning for a new school in Moncton to replace Bessborough and Hillcrest schools.
"They are keen on tackling the deficit in a quicker fashion than what we may have been expecting under the previous government," Shaw said.
"The bigger underlying challenge for any government to tackle, is the economic outlook. We want to continue to see how that evolves as the months progress as we head into the upcoming budget season."
Although, it's likely not government's first choice, Shaw said the other lever would be to change the level of taxation as the deficit isn't "overly large" but has continued to linger.
"We would see New Brunswick having a little flexibility to raise taxes if that decision were chosen," he said.
An A rating
Last spring, Dominion gave the province an A rating but trending to negative, indicating the overall direction of the credit health of the province was trending down, potentially resulting in a "one-notch downgrade.""We continue to see the province spending more than what they're bringing in terms of overall revenues," Shaw said.
"That has been leading to an ever-so-gradual but steady increase in their debt burden."
The credit-rating agency said the outlook for the New Brunswick economy is weak with "limited capacity and willingness to increase revenues or further constrain spending."
B.C. has highest rating
Shaw said the province still got a strong credit rating, "but it is lower than where we have some of the larger provinces, such as Ontario, British Columbia being our highest rating at AA high."
Shaw said New Brunswick's economic outlook has been relatively weak for a number of years, reflecting the aging population of Atlantic Canada in general.
But there doesn't appear to be anything on the horizon that will change the outlook, including private-sector investments, that would stimulate the economy, he said.
"That's having just a bearing on the overall outlook for the economy and potential economic growth," he said.
Worried about new shock
Shaw said forecasters are concerned the region could see an extra shock that "triggers the next downturn."
"That can have material impact on government finances, just by virtue of slower economic growth, potential increase in unemployment," he said
.
He said his agency speaks with the New Brunswick government on a regular basis and gets fiscal updates.
"We are in regular contact, we also look at a number of economic forecasts and certainly follow the economic performance quite closely to get an understanding of where things are trending in that regard," he said.
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