Tuesday 18 December 2018

International group steers clear of Francophonie Games cost controversy

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Province pulls funding to Francophonie Games committee



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David R. Amos 
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Marc Martin 
Marc Martin
If there would have been an Anglophone Game you would hear crickets, and none of the complainers on this site would have said anything.


Dan Armitage
Dan Armitage
@Marc Martin thanks for making it language it has nothing to do with our economic troubled province well done again Martin

Andrew Clarkson
Andrew Clarkson
@Marc Martin

Horse puckey!

Natalie Pugh
Natalie Pugh
@Marc Martin This would never have even been considered if it was Anglophone Games and shouldn't be, not when NB is broke and servises are dwindeling!

Jake Devries
Jake Devries
@Marc Martin you're really grasping now, aren't you little man ??

cheryl wright
cheryl wright
@Marc Martin that is untrue and you know it. stop playing the language/victim card. we cant afford it, they lied.. done deal... deal done.

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@cheryl wright

It is true, facts don't lie, you can see how many Anglo made this a language issue.

Paul Estey
Paul Estey
@Marc Martin Thats BS!...This is not a French /English issue, nor should it be....Its an financial issue...I dont know where that amount of money over a 2 week period makes any sense, given the minimal return of the investment. Furthermore, the desperate state of our provincial finances speaks for itself. This falls back on the prior government for not making these numbers public back in April and then making a decision at that time instead of hiding the figures until after the election. At least Roger Melanson has come forward and shed the light on the issue and advised the committee back in April 2018 that the $130 million figure was unacceptable. My question is where was Brian Gallant in all this because if he didn't know about the $130 million price tag then I would suggest he was infact an "absentee Premier"...

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Paul Estey

*This is not a French /English issue*

Well your Anglo friends made it a language issue.

David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Marc Martin NOPE You Do


Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@David R. Amos

Harassing me again Davis ?

David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Marc Martin Who is Davis?



Lou Bell
Lou Bell
@Marc Martin Downvotes / Upvotes . Hmmm , things don't look good for the SANB Party next election .









Marc Martin 
 Lou Bell
" Common Sense " to the majority of NB'ers ! Other than the Green member , to whom it has a different meaning , as he follows that of his hero from a few decades back .

David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Lou Bell Methinks the Watermelon Party's French Lieutenant still has no clue what common sense is yet N'esy Pas?









Marc Martin
Mark Murphy
Just cancel the games . do not spend 1 more thin dime . NB is bankrupt and these games are that games . NB cannot afford to waste what little monies they have ..

This is a joke


David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Mark Murphy "This is a joke"

Welcome to the Circus







Marc Martin
Mack Leigh
Next move should be to shut down the Office of Official Languages and to send our Official Languages Minister packing...... As an employee of ...all.... of the taxpayers he should not be involved in the paramedic case at all.... Along with taxpayers now paying for the fees of his lawyer M. Doucet....disgusting... Time to either cancel or rewrite the Official Languages Act so that it represents ...all.... of the people in NB.... No more behind closed door meetings being held without representation from the majority of people in NB....


Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Mack Leigh

*he should not be involved in the paramedic case at all*

That is part of his job of course he should.

*Time to either cancel or rewrite the Official Languages Act so that it represents ...all.... of the people in NB*

It already represent both, please show me where it does not ?

*No more behind closed door meetings being held without representation from the majority of people in NB...*

The way democracy works you vote for a representative and they make the decision you didn't know ?

reginald churchill
reginald churchill
@Mack Leigh --------well said and I'm sure most people here in New Brunswick would agree with this.

reginald churchill
reginald churchill
@Marc Martin -----a true democracy would represent all the people in New Brunswick not just self interest groups

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@reginald churchill

This is a *true* democracy, the democracy you want is called a dictatorship where they oppress, segregate and assimilate the minorities.

Mark Murphy
Mark Murphy
@Mack Leigh different topic . not appropriate in this context

Dave Peters
Dave Peters
@Marc Martin There is that word again, assimilate. The cry of the so called oppressed. We are a country with a diversified population. No government should be responsible for the hundreds of minorities in this country to maintain their language or culture. Do you really believe that the hundreds of minorities who come here from other places dwell on how government is going to protect their language & culture. If they want to preserve the traditions of their country where they come from they can do this in their homes & communities supported by the very people in their community. This is only reasonable.

Jake Devries
Jake Devries
@Marc Martin The Language Commisioner should change title to a more accurate one: Franco Commissioner

Jake Devries
Jake Devries
@Marc Martin that's called a majority and is the basis of democracy

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Dave Peters

*No government should be responsible for the hundreds of minorities in this country to maintain their language or culture*

So why am I paying for your English schools, English museums and English festivals ? The logic of the PANB group everyone should pay for ours but we don't pay for others.

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Jake Devries

The language commissioner takes English complaints you didn't know ?

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Jake Devries

So if we take you logic in account the Liberal should be in power then ?

Jake Devries
Jake Devries
@Marc Martin no, because we don't have "direct voting" provincially or federally...we have seats/ridings..

Jake Devries
Jake Devries
@Marc Martin does he?? All we've seen is Franco whining...

Natalie Pugh
Natalie Pugh
@Marc Martin
*No government should be responsible for the hundreds of minorities in this country to maintain their language or culture*

So why am I paying for your English schools, English museums and English festivals ?
Maybe the answer is in your own comment.....We are not a minority!

Natalie Pugh
Natalie Pugh
@Marc Martin
"The language commissioner takes English complaints you didn't know"
Really? Can you give us one example of when an English complaint was filed and investigated appropriately?

Lou Bell
Lou Bell
@Marc Martin He just doesn't follow through on them !

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Jake Devries
But still you are contradicting yourself since the majority of people voted Liberals.

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Jake Devries

That's because they have no complain that are valid, you are being serviced in your language across the province. By the way having the English language first on forms is not a matter for complains...

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Natalie Pugh

*Really? Can you give us one example of when an English complaint was filed and investigated appropriately?*

Can you give me an example where a complaint was made and wasn't investigated ? there is none..

Fred Brewer
Fred Brewer
@Marc Martin
"The language commissioner takes English complaints you didn't know ?"

Yes, and then he/she rejects them all. Can you point to one single instance where the Official Languages Commissioner has upheld or protected and anglophone's rights?

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Lou Bell

But which one ? Your quick to say that but which complain was done ?

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Fred Brewer

But can you point one to me that was valid ? You cant now can ya..case closed.

Fred Brewer
Fred Brewer
@Marc Martin
"But can you point one to me that was valid ? You cant now can ya..case closed."

Well let's see... how about the discriminatory sign bylaws of Dieppe? How about the flying of the Acadian flag on government buildings? How about the demotion of an anglophone commissionaire who could not speak French but was willing to get someone who could?
Is that enough for you Marc? I could add hundreds more but the complaints made and rejected by the Commissioner are top secret. No transparency at this office. Time for the office to be abolished

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Fred Brewer

*how about the discriminatory sign bylaws of Dieppe*

How is that discriminatory ? Both language have to be on signs.

*How about the flying of the Acadian flag on government buildings? *

What does this have to do with French language ? Their are a lot of English Acadians.

*How about the demotion of an anglophone commissionaire who could not speak French but was willing to get someone who could? *

A private company hired him and made an error, he was not employed by the province. Commissionaire are hired all the time in Federal and Provincial building and all are required to be bilingual.

Totally bogus complaints educate yourself.

*I could add hundreds more but the complaints made *

Hundred complaints that are not valid. You cant even point me one that is.

Jake Devries
Jake Devries
@Marc Martin quantity versus quality...

Jake Devries
Jake Devries
@Marc Martin that SANB appointee would rather go after a disabled veteran Commissionaire...


Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Jake Devries

*quantity versus quality...*

Quantity = Anglophone complaints Quality = Francophone complaints..


Marc Martin
Marc Martin
 @Natalie Pugh

Ah !!! so because your a majority I should be paying for you ? You have just proven a point how you feel towards all francophones ty.

David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Natalie Pugh "The language commissioner takes English complaints you didn't know"
Really? Can you give us one example of when an English complaint was filed and investigated appropriately?

Methinks you should read my lawsuit It was inspired by the invitations of the federal and provincial language commissioners and the actions of many others N'esy Pas?

David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Marc Martin "The way democracy works you vote for a representative and they make the decision you didn't know ?"

Methinks everybody knows democracy and justice are myths The politicians abide by the their golden rule "He With The Gold Makes The Rules" In this province Mr Higgs knows it is my old foes in the Irving Clan N'esy Pas?









Marc Martin
Roland Godin
Give those poor politicians a break, we insist proudly, for generations, in electing the most likely team who will mismanage public policies, administration, resources and finances and in les deux langues officielles...eh!!/voilà.


Fred Brewer
Fred Brewer
@Roland Godin
Who is less likely to mismanage? Please tell us.

Troy Murray
Troy Murray
@Fred Brewer There is a difference between mismanagement and corruption

Roland Godin
Roland Godin
@Fred Brewer
A voter who does not accept wheeling and dealings with politicians when hiding in a booth to scratch their prefered colour doodle, but of course I am off base, like usual, on that issue...et voilà.

Fred Brewer
Fred Brewer
@Roland Godin
You continue to blame the voter and in some respects I agree. Voting red or blue solves nothing and it is time we vote for PA or Greens. Glad we agree on that Roland. Thank you.

David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Troy Murray "There is a difference between mismanagement and corruption"

YUP A Very BIG One

David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Fred Brewer "Who is less likely to mismanage? Please tell us."

Methinks it is Independent politicians with no political party or corporate affiliations who will only speak for the best interests of the folks who elected them in the first place N'esy Pas?








Marc Martin
Doug Leblanc
Everyone knows Gallant was simply a puppet of Dominic. For Dominic to say that it’s the province’s fault is irresponsible and stinks of petty politics. Anyone who does not see that NB can not afford 120M is out if touch with reality. Grow up Dominic. Your father would be ashamed.


David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Doug Leblanc "Everyone knows Gallant was simply a puppet of Dominic. For Dominic to say that it’s the province’s fault is irresponsible and stinks of petty politics."

I wholeheartedly agree

@Doug Leblanc "Grow up Dominic. Your father would be ashamed."

I wholeheartedly disagree Methinks that many folks would agree that the apple does not fall too far from the tree N'esy Pas?








 Marc Martin
Joseph Vacher
YESSSSSSS!!!!!!!!

This may be the first sign of common sense to come out of NB in a decade


David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Joseph Vacher Dream on Methinks that even the liberals would agree that it is just Higgs playing politics as usual as the PCs prepare for the pending rerun of the last election N'esy Pas?









Matt Steele 
Matt Steele
The Francophonie games appeared to be one big scam so that Brian Gallant , and his back room Liberal buddies , could fill their pockets with taxpayer cash . The games only last for around ten days , so that works out to be around 13 MILLION per day for some games that very few New Brunswicker's care anything about . To bad the taxpayers already got scammed out of the 2 to 3 Million that Gallant's buddies have already squandered on these boondoggle games , as that money could have went a long way in providing morning breakfast programs for our school children .


David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Matt Steele Methinks you should checkout how much money his old buddie the Irving Clan gets from NB Power every year and ask Mr Higgs what gives with that N'esy Pas?









Tim Raworth
June Arnott
This is craziness. We have no money to even finish twining the busiest hwy in NB. Cut politicians wages and perks!!!


Tim Raworth
Tim Raworth
@June Arnott Busiest hwy in NB? Who are you kidding . Gallant could not provide the data to prove this was even needed. Just vote getting, that's all it was.

Troy Murray
Troy Murray
@Tim Raworth And more jobs to his buddies at ten times the cost

David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Tim Raworth I concur








 Alex Forbes 
Alex Forbes
Good riddance. Sports should not be funded by the government anyway.


Colin Seeley
Colin Seeley
@Alex Forbes

And neither should CBC.

David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Colin Seeley Mais Pourquoi???

Methinks you think I jest too much N'esy Pas?





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International group steers clear of Francophonie Games cost controversy



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David Amos 
David Amos
"Premier Blaine Higgs said he plans to set a deadline to make a call on whether to cancel the 2021 Francophonie Games. "Very near future we will be communicating the cutoff date," said Higgs.

"Unless the federal government has a change in their attitude, it looks like the games will not proceed."

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Shawn Tabor 
Shawn Tabor
There was not one word mentioned about this leading up to the Election. They new about it. There is something very very wrong here. No wonder we are in so much dept.


David Amos
David Amos
@Shawn Tabor Oh So True Sir







Province pulls funding to Francophonie Games committee

Final payment to group was made in December


A spokesperson for the Department of Tourism, Heritage and Culture confirmed that a final payment was made last month, but a spokesperson for the committee, Tracey Suley, said it is “currently operating” with “approved provincial funding for the entirety of the 2018-19 fiscal year.” (Hussein Malla/Associated Press)

The Higgs government has cut off funding to the organizing committee for the trouble-plagued Francophonie Games.

A spokesperson for the Department of Tourism, Heritage and Culture confirmed that a final payment was made last month.

"In December 2018, the province made its last payment to the Comité national organisateur des Jeux de la Francophonie 2021," Stephanie Bilodeau said in an email statement.

"Given the uncertainty surrounding the future of the 2021 Francophonie Games in New Brunswick, no further payments to the organizing committee are currently scheduled from the provincial government."

But a spokesperson for the committee, Tracey Suley, said it is "currently operating" with "approved provincial funding for the entirety of the 2018-19 fiscal year."

"We are still here … and are awaiting the results of discussions between our funders," she said.
Radio-Canada reported on Dec. 6 that the organizing committee was seeking $130 million for the 2021 Games, to be held in Moncton and Dieppe.

That budget is more than seven times the $17-million cost estimate the province submitted in its bid.

Split funding agreement


Premier Blaine Higgs said in December that despite the ballooning cost, his Progressive Conservative government would not spend more than the original $10 million it had committed.

The original plan was for the cities of Moncton and Dieppe to contribute $750,000 each and the provincial and federal government would split the remainder of the cost.


Blaine Higgs has said the province will not contribute more than its initial offer of $10 million. (CBC)
Higgs said in December the federal government would have to ante up the rest for the Games to proceed.

He also said "in the very near future" he would set a "cutoff date" by which Ottawa would have to commit more money or the Games would not go ahead.

He made the comments in the wake of his government's first capital budget, which trimmed more than $200 million from infrastructure spending and cancelled several high-profile projects in an effort to eliminate the deficit.

On Wednesday, federal Intergovernmental Affairs Minister Dominic LeBlanc said Ottawa remains "ready" to be a funding partner.

"Although we have not received a formal proposal from New Brunswick, we remain committed to working with the province to find a solution," LeBlanc said in a statement to Radio-Canada after meeting with New Brunswick Deputy Premier Robert Gauvin on Wednesday.

Liberals learned of higher price tag in in 2017


Following the revelation of the higher cost estimate, five provincial appointees on the board of the organizing committee, appointed by the previous Liberal government, resigned.

Former Liberal cabinet minister Roger Melanson said last month the Gallant government first learned of the bloated $130 million budget last April. They were told in October 2017 that the cost had reached $45 million.

The Liberals decided in early 2018 to establish what Melanson called "safeguards." He said that included changing its funding for the committee from annual to monthly payments.


The Francophonie Games are the largest sporting and cultural event in the French-speaking world. (AFP/Issouf Sanogo)
But Bilodeau said the province has paid out its full $930,000 contribution for the current 2018-19 fiscal year. The province gave the committee $250,000 in 2017-18.

The committee's total budget for 2018-19 was $1.7 million and the province said about $2.65 million in costs had been incurred since 2015.

The initial $17-million budget was based on a template provided by the International Organization of La Francophonie. It did not include a business plan or any amounts for potential infrastructure projects.

A consultant's report for the federal government said the cost of the Games could be trimmed to $115 million, with a bare-bones version of the event possible for $72 million.

Cancellation fees


If New Brunswick cancels the Games, it could be on the hook for millions more dollars.

Article 24 of the statutes of the Games' governing body, the Comité international des Jeux de la Francophonie, says a host government that cancels the event must cover any expenses incurred by the international committee.

New Brunswick was selected in 2016 to host the ninth edition of the Games, which take place under the auspices of La Francophonie, an international organization of 58 governments with connections to the French language.

New Brunswick and Quebec have "participating government" status within the organization.

The Games, open to New Brunswickers and Canadians regardless of the language they speak, would see about 3,000 participants take part in sport and cultural events in Moncton and Dieppe.

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International group steers clear of Francophonie Games cost controversy

Finger has been pointed at International Organization of the Francophonie over low bidding requirements


Moncton-Dieppe's ability to host the 2021 Francophonie Games is being questioned, since it was revealed costs have skyrocketed to $130 million. (AFP/Issouf Sanogo)

After a week and a half of silence on the controversy around the skyrocketing costs of the 2021 Francophonie Games in Moncton-Dieppe, the international association overseeing the games responded to the news media.

But the International Organization of the Francophonie, or OIF, steered away from the controversy, not answering questions about what would happen if the Moncton-Dieppe bid is withdrawn, or whether it was at all concerned about the holding of the 2021 event.

"We were made aware at the beginning of 2018 that the committee had finished its budget and submitted a business plan," wrote Thomas Gil, interim director of partnerships, marketing and communications for the Paris-based group.

"We expect to receive a presentation of the updated budget from the committee, balanced in terms of expenditures and revenues, and including the distribution of funding."

The organization didn't respond to questions about New Brunswick's low initial bid either.
Government officials have said cost estimates submitted in the bid were essentially copied from the application guidebook.

OIF tells reporters to talk to NB's committee


A report by independent consultants pointed the finger, in part, at the original $17.5 million bid, which "significantly underestimated" the costs of running what was described as the largest event ever held in New Brunswick.

"The initial budget … seems to have been adjusted to satisfy the international organization, which wants a fixed and similar budget for every edition of the Francophonie Games. That desire is likely linked to the current perception related to excessive costs and overruns for big sporting events like the Olympics," it said.

The OIF referred all further questions to Éric Larocque, executive director of the New Brunswick organizing committee, and all attempts to reach the Paris spokesperson landed on voicemail.


Éric Larocque, executive director of the 2021 Francophonie Games organizing committee, said earlier that infrastructure requests cropped up after the initial cost estimate was developed. (Shane Magee/CBC)

Larocque has been declining interviews since the committee's last public appearance more than a week ago now.

Asked again Tuesday whether CBC News could speak with Larocque in light of information that had come out since then, his spokesperson said the organizers were working on a "Q&A" to go up on their website "addressing current questions."

Larocque, who was also on the 2015 bid committee, said earlier that a budget wasn't developed as part of the bid "because it wasn't required."

"There were some volunteers, and there were some public servants," he has said about that decision.
 "I'm not here to pinpoint or to blame somebody. It was a group decision, and that's it."

'Looks like the games won't proceed'


Meanwhile, Premier Blaine Higgs said he plans to set a deadline to make a call on whether to cancel the 2021 Francophonie Games.

"Very near future we will be communicating the cutoff date," said Higgs.

"Unless the federal government has a change in their attitude, it looks like the games will not proceed."


Blaine Higgs said he will set a deadline to make a call on whether to cancel the Games. (CBC)

But on Tuesday,  federal Intergovernmental Affairs Minister Dominic LeBlanc again said Ottawa will not up its contribution.

"We've been clear from the beginning that the government of Canada would pay 50 per cent of the cost if the province decides to go ahead with the proposal that they submitted," said LeBlanc.

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