David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
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Methinks this garbage will be much monitored in an election year N'esy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2019/05/canadian-garbage-wrongly-dumped-in.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/garbage-philippines-duterte-manilla-1.5120279
Canadian garbage wrongly dumped in the Philippines is coming home
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Rex Yuan
Exporter(s) in Canada should be arrested and fined.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Rex Yuan: "Exporter(s) in Canada should be arrested and fined."
And their bonding company should cover all costs
And their bonding company should cover all costs
Adrian Williams
I’m very concerned this garbage could be dumped into the Pacific Ocean near Victoria. Oh wait they already dump raw sewage all time. Nevermind
David R. Amos
Reply to @Adrian Williams: Methinks this garbage will be much monitored in an election year N'esy Pas?
JohnColford
A question or two: Who or what is the name of the owner of the company that originally shipped the garbage and why is CBC not reporting the name???????
Richard Smith
Reply to @JohnColford: The owner is Filipino, but facts don't fit the CBC narrative.
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/02/13/whitby_plastic_recycler_denies_shipping_trash_to_philippines.html
David R. Amos
Reply to @Richard Smith: Thanks
David R. Amos
Reply to @David R. Amos:
By Alex Ballingall Feb. 13, 2014
"A Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development Canada spokesperson said the government hasn’t been advised of the situation, but will monitor developments through Canadian officials in the Philippines.
Bolivar Bao, an official at the Philippines consulate in Toronto, met with Makris on Tuesday.
“At this point, we’re still trying to confirm his story,” said Bao.
“We’ll be doing our best to determine the circumstances surrounding his allegations.”
Shirley Banquicio, a commercial relations officer from the consulate who also met with Makris, said she’s waiting for a response from Manila to Makris’ claims.
“We haven’t received anything from Manila, officially, on the matter,” she said.
Under the Basel Convention, to which Canada and the Philippines are signatories, it is illegal to ship hazardous waste internationally, except in special circumstances.
Makris insisted that it wouldn’t be possible for such waste to get into his shipments, which are also inspected before they leave Canada, he said.
He added that “anyone with a brain” could see that it makes no sense to ship garbage overseas. It costs $40 per tonne to dump garbage in Canada, but $80 per tonne to ship his recycling material to the Philippines, he said.
The garbage accusation isn’t the only hardship Makris has faced. Though his first 30-container shipment made it past Philippines customs, Makris claimed he hasn’t “seen a dime” of the profits thus far and claimed there might be cost inflation at the Philippines end of his endeavor.
“I’m going to wait 48 hours,” he said, expressing hope his shipment will be deemed acceptable and allowed past customs.
“It’s doing business overseas, and I think that’s the biggest problem,” he said."
By Alex Ballingall Feb. 13, 2014
"A Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development Canada spokesperson said the government hasn’t been advised of the situation, but will monitor developments through Canadian officials in the Philippines.
Bolivar Bao, an official at the Philippines consulate in Toronto, met with Makris on Tuesday.
“At this point, we’re still trying to confirm his story,” said Bao.
“We’ll be doing our best to determine the circumstances surrounding his allegations.”
Shirley Banquicio, a commercial relations officer from the consulate who also met with Makris, said she’s waiting for a response from Manila to Makris’ claims.
“We haven’t received anything from Manila, officially, on the matter,” she said.
Under the Basel Convention, to which Canada and the Philippines are signatories, it is illegal to ship hazardous waste internationally, except in special circumstances.
Makris insisted that it wouldn’t be possible for such waste to get into his shipments, which are also inspected before they leave Canada, he said.
He added that “anyone with a brain” could see that it makes no sense to ship garbage overseas. It costs $40 per tonne to dump garbage in Canada, but $80 per tonne to ship his recycling material to the Philippines, he said.
The garbage accusation isn’t the only hardship Makris has faced. Though his first 30-container shipment made it past Philippines customs, Makris claimed he hasn’t “seen a dime” of the profits thus far and claimed there might be cost inflation at the Philippines end of his endeavor.
“I’m going to wait 48 hours,” he said, expressing hope his shipment will be deemed acceptable and allowed past customs.
“It’s doing business overseas, and I think that’s the biggest problem,” he said."
Peter Johnson
Is there any countries in the world we are not fighting with???
David R. Amos
Reply to @Peter Johnson: Iceland (They don't have a military anyone)
David R. Amos
Reply to @David R. Amos: Correction I meant to write "anymore" My political foes know the Icelanders don't have a military anymore since they wised up and quit the coalition of the Willing in the War on Iraq
Glenn Macadam
Whatever company got paid to dispose of the garbage in the first place should be paying 100% of the bill. And why is it that in all these articles, the company in question has not been named? What a load of garbage, pardon the pun, but not really.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Glenn Macadam: "Whatever company got paid to dispose of the garbage in the first place should be paying 100% of the bill."
Methinks that even if the company is out of business now they had to be bonded in the first place. Hence the company who backed them up should be made to pay all costs. I bet it was an insurance company no doubt owned by a bank and the politicians don't want their pals to suffer a loss so the taxpayer will have to foot the bill in the end N'esy Pas?
James Watson
Now this is easy the trash, all from the Vancouver area, was shipped to Manila in early 2013 by Ontario’s Chronic Inc. owner by Jim Makris. This is his problem and the Canadian taxpayer should not be subsidizing HIS business practices.
Ron Vollans
Reply to @James Watson:
I wonder which party he donates to.
I wonder which party he donates to.
Mark Williamson
Reply to @Ron Vollans: Probably all of them, a smart businessman knows to hedge his bets.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Mark Williamson: YUP
Tristan Gummow
Why
does the media continue to protect the company that shipped the trash?
They and only they should be paying for its shipment and disposal as
well as any time spent by the government dealing with this. Not one
penny of tax payer money should be spent on this. And if the trash
barons dont have the cash or refuse to pay lock them up and sell
everything they own
Bill Hawkins
Reply
to @Tristan Gummow: My understanding is that the Canadian company in
question is no longer in existence so you would be trying to squeeze
water from the stone. Having said that I agree in principle that
industry should pay but that requires funding up front or personal
liability on the part of board members or senior executives. After the
fact all you are left with are non existent corporate entities.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Bill Hawkins: "After the fact all you are left with are non existent corporate entities"
Methinks the "non existent corporate entities" were bonded by corporate entities that still exist N'esy Pas?
Methinks the "non existent corporate entities" were bonded by corporate entities that still exist N'esy Pas?
James
Watson
The
rotting garbage, which was shipped over by a private Canadian firm in
2013 and 2014. So WHO was this private firm and why aren't its owners
being charged? Is this another SNC- Lavalin get out of jail free card?
Janice
Mann
Reply to @James
Watson: WHO was in charge of the federal government in 2013 and 2014?
WHO ignored the situation up until they were ejected from office in
2015? I'll give you a minute to remember....
Dave Plain
Reply to @Janice
Mann: and who ignored it until 2019! When Manila threatens war, suddenly
the government has been 'working diligently'. Solved in a week.
Ed Betterley
Reply to @Dave Plain: Trudeau took immediate action .Ha, Ha. What a joke this took this long to solve.
Janice
Mann
Reply to @Dave Plain:
Seems you're saying they're just as good, or just as bad. However, it
does reduce the possibility of a SNC- Lavalin situation, except on the
part of the Conservatives, doesn't it?
Janice
Mann
Reply to @Ed Betterley: Not immediate action, but action, eventually. Isn't that more impressive than none?
David R. Amos
Reply to @Dave Plain:
"and who ignored it until 2019! When Manila threatens war, suddenly the
government has been 'working diligently'. Solved in a week."
Welcome to the Circus
Welcome to the Circus
Vance Wu
don't want Canadian garbage..fine, you want buy some Canadian canola and pork?
Gordon
Burns
Reply to @vance wu: lol. well played
David R. Amos
Reply to @Gordon
Burns: Methinks Mr Prime Minister Trudeau The Younger does not see the
humour in the garbage nor do a lot of farmers appreciate the joke N'esy
Pas?
Tim Skut
Wonder what the name of the company and its principals are? Why isn't that made public? Blaming Harper or Trudeau is not the point here; the company mixed non-recyclable trash in with recyclables. They should be a price for the negligence or fraud.
Chris Borowiak
Reply to @Tim Skut: Yes, but it's all fake news. No details.
Kis Brink
Reply to @Chris Borowiak: Fun FACT. Canada has actual laws which require news be news. It is why when you see the program listing for a Canadian 24 hour news stations the time slots that have discussion panels are marked etc... When something serious happens here the anchors cannot speculate. It is why they spend time listening.
Signs it may be real. Multiple real people are quoted. You could check parts of it against your favourite news aggregator . You have one I hope. The bits that did not happen in camera, should show up in the Hansard. Handy that therei s an electronic version. It's nicely indexed for your convenience.
You could of course given this is coming to you on the internet and you ..well what article did you read as you claim no detail but there is quite a lot. Still if you feel strongly it's fake you can ask the kind people at the CRTC to investigate.
I strongly advise you take some time to read some of the acts because we are quite lucky in how much work has been done to protect the integrity of our news.
Appreciate that please.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Kis Brink:
"I strongly advise you take some time to read some of the acts because
we are quite lucky in how much work has been done to protect the
integrity of our news. "
Go Figure
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fundy-royal-riding-profile-1.3274276
Go Figure
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fundy-royal-riding-profile-1.3274276
Canadian garbage wrongly dumped in the Philippines is coming home
More than 6 dozen containers full of rotting garbage to be taken back to Canada via Port of Vancouver
Canada has made an offer to the
Philippines to repatriate six dozen shipping containers full of rotting
garbage that were erroneously shipped there six years ago, the federal
environment minister said today.
"This is a file we've certainly been working hard on for a long time — obviously an irritant in our relationship with the Philippines, but also a problem," Catherine McKenna told reporters in Ottawa Thursday.
"We've had a team that's been working extremely hard, including from Environment and Climate Change Canada, to find a solution. I am not going to go into the details but there is a proposal on the table with the Philippines and we are hopeful we can come to a resolution."
McKenna said she would not "speculate" on where the garbage will go when it returns to Canada, nor would she disclose the cost of bringing the trash home.
According to Adam Austen, a spokesperson for Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland, the Philippines has yet to respond to Canada's offer.
If the offer is accepted, the trash would return to Canada through the port of Vancouver before disposal.
The
international dispute has been brewing since 2013 and 2014, when a
Canadian company shipped about 103 containers wrongly labelled as
plastics for recycling to a port near the capital Manila.
The Canadian offer came around the same time as the Philippines ordered its Bureau of Customs to get the containers back on a ship bound for Canada no later than May 15.
Last month, President Rodrigo Duterte threatened to "declare war" on Canada if it didn't take back its trash and set this week as a deadline for an end to the impasse.
"I will declare war against them," he said at the time in a video broadcast by RTVM, the media arm of the president's office. "I will advise Canada that your garbage is on the way. Prepare a grand reception. Eat it if you want to ... your garbage is coming home."
Officials
check a shipping container holding Vancouver garbage in Manila in this
undated photo. About 100 incorrectly labelled containers full of garbage
were sent to the Philippines from Canada about six years ago. (Philippines Bureau of Customs/Canadian Press)
Duterte's
colourful comments were matched by his foreign secretary Teodoro
Locsin, who tweeted this week that he is going after the Filipino
importers who brought the trash into the country but dismissed
suggestions they should be sent to Canada with the garbage because that
would be "too much pollution."
Canada is a party to the UN Basel Convention, which is meant to reduce transfers of hazardous waste to developing nations without their consent.
In 2016, Canada strengthened its regulations around hazardous waste shipments to include the obligation to take back waste shipments that cannot be completed as planned.
"This is a file we've certainly been working hard on for a long time — obviously an irritant in our relationship with the Philippines, but also a problem," Catherine McKenna told reporters in Ottawa Thursday.
"We've had a team that's been working extremely hard, including from Environment and Climate Change Canada, to find a solution. I am not going to go into the details but there is a proposal on the table with the Philippines and we are hopeful we can come to a resolution."
McKenna said she would not "speculate" on where the garbage will go when it returns to Canada, nor would she disclose the cost of bringing the trash home.
According to Adam Austen, a spokesperson for Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland, the Philippines has yet to respond to Canada's offer.
If the offer is accepted, the trash would return to Canada through the port of Vancouver before disposal.
The Canadian offer came around the same time as the Philippines ordered its Bureau of Customs to get the containers back on a ship bound for Canada no later than May 15.
Last month, President Rodrigo Duterte threatened to "declare war" on Canada if it didn't take back its trash and set this week as a deadline for an end to the impasse.
"I will declare war against them," he said at the time in a video broadcast by RTVM, the media arm of the president's office. "I will advise Canada that your garbage is on the way. Prepare a grand reception. Eat it if you want to ... your garbage is coming home."
Canada is a party to the UN Basel Convention, which is meant to reduce transfers of hazardous waste to developing nations without their consent.
In 2016, Canada strengthened its regulations around hazardous waste shipments to include the obligation to take back waste shipments that cannot be completed as planned.
With files from The Canadian Press
CBC's Journalistic Standards and Practiceshttps://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/02/13/whitby_plastic_recycler_denies_shipping_trash_to_philippines.html
Whitby plastic recycler denies shipping trash to Philippines
Thu., Feb. 13, 2014
A Whitby businessman accused of illegally
shipping mounds of trash masked as recyclable plastic to the
Philippines is flatly denying the charge.
“Their story of this garbage thing is just driving me nuts,” said Jim Makris, owner of Chronic Inc., a business that sends mixed plastics across the Pacific to be sorted in the Philippines and sold for recycling.
“Anybody who’s in plastic, who knows plastic, will tell you. It’s the stupidest thing I’ve heard of in my entire life,” Makris said.
Local media in the Philippines reported this week that a 50-container shipment arrived in Manila from Canada last year. Because it was declared as plastic for recycling, the country’s Bureau of Customs said Makris’ company broke the law by shipping “tons of garbage” consisting of household trash and some adult diapers.
The Philippine Daily Inquirer reported that the Bureau of Customs is investigating the 150-worker plant in Valenzuela City started by Makris to sort and sell the plastic he ships.
“Their story of this garbage thing is just driving me nuts,” said Jim Makris, owner of Chronic Inc., a business that sends mixed plastics across the Pacific to be sorted in the Philippines and sold for recycling.
“Anybody who’s in plastic, who knows plastic, will tell you. It’s the stupidest thing I’ve heard of in my entire life,” Makris said.
Local media in the Philippines reported this week that a 50-container shipment arrived in Manila from Canada last year. Because it was declared as plastic for recycling, the country’s Bureau of Customs said Makris’ company broke the law by shipping “tons of garbage” consisting of household trash and some adult diapers.
The Philippine Daily Inquirer reported that the Bureau of Customs is investigating the 150-worker plant in Valenzuela City started by Makris to sort and sell the plastic he ships.
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